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last few weeks every time we do a brand

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weird things happening with Skype and

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thereabouts and that is considered a

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call it that way at seven point five

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point eight for the Mac and what

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software but Microsoft is going to do is

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Skype for a while so people like us who

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really solid connections can do it

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that's about as much technology as we do

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coast again Jay Randall Murphy and we

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welcome Nigel

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Watson from the UK hello I just wonder

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with the way the politics are going

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whether the UK even wants to talk to

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Americans anymore oh yeah yeah it is a

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bit of a minefield to say the least I

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suppose a lot to be as we could have

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Donald Trump's tweets which seem to get

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people fired up about things and we've

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got my British equivalent of Boris

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Johnson who was always putting his foot

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in it as well so inflammatory period in

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politics really with them I suppose

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social media like this as well I'll add

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fuel to the flame of controversy really

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well here's a visit to the Queen there

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didn't go her all that well

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there yeah anyway Randall has no problem

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he's Canadian and because he's playing

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he's of course they preferred

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individuals so we don't have to worry

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about him Nigel I want to thank our

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mutual friend Tim Beckley for

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recommending that I bring you on the

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power cast he speaks very highly of you

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and Tim as many of us know is kind of a

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co-producer of the show he suggests

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guests every so often gives us some

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interesting ideas about whom to talk to

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and I was looking over the background

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for Nigel Watson which is really

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fascinating because you've been involved

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in 14 investigation the paranormal

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whatever for many many years and I it

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looks here like you got your BA degree

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in psychology is that mean you're really

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in the right field now ufology got me

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interested in psychology because

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obviously was a huge human factor in

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things like perception and how people

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report things so it seemed a bit of a

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natural progression for me to sort of

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them take an interest in it and then I I

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studied it and as it's like as a degree

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option really and it does give you a bit

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more insight into her you know how you

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know how people perceive things and the

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different things that can affect people

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some view of of things but I suppose a

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lot of subjects like this can be quite

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specialist really so I think it's a kind

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of like you can take a narrow focus and

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from using psychological knowledge but

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about people's background and you know

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angle you don't really have to regard

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you folds as spaceships or time

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travelers or anything like that you can

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perception rather than as anything

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beyond that obviously in a variety of OU

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cases that stretch just normal

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psychological explanation so it's of it

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was quite helpful and and useful to look

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at that subject and I think that's the

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thing with ufology it can lead people

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into studying astronomy or even them you

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know ancient history because of the

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ancient astronaut theorists so I think

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ufology can open up lots of other areas

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for people to study further and you know

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that's kind of what I like about the

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subject in fact you can you know explore

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those lines of inquiry I'm sure and I

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think there's still plenty of areas for

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people you know to to explore but people

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of either ignored or um or a disability

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in territory you know one thing I find

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interesting here is the comparison

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between the UFO field in America and I'm

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barely part of that I guess of course I

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am you know and the UFO field in the UK

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when I bring on people like you Nigel

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and filament what other people I find a

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much more enlightened view that you're

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willing to look at a very much wider

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picture and maybe that's why the

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fourteen times is british isn't it yeah

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a lot of strange things are going on not

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just strictly concerned with spaceships

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not just gently concerned with

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individual causes of the phenomenon but

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the possibility there's an

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interrelationship between the things

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that go bump in the night near-death

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experiences abductions people seeing

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UFOs and not that they aren't real but

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that we are in some ways participants in

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the phenomenon not just seeing things in

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and recording them button a why closer

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yeah ironically lovers were inspired by

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the writings of John Cale you know every

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American journalist and you know writer

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of things like operation Trojan horse

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wider view point beyond via terrestrial

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theory and he wrote a lot in them flying

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saucer review before his books came out

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because he looked up folklore of in

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relation to you frozen that sort of area

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and just taken it beyond the

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extra-terrestrial not some boats theory

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people because it was in you know the

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premiere UFO magazine which was flying

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saucer review and also we were other

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passport - magana and several other

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writers in in Britain mode looked at

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some you know the ancient past and

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stories in folklore and compared know

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stories of little people and fairy rings

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to to the UFO phenomenon and to show

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that there might be a it might be a

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continuous thing that for literally

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things in the sky and even entities and

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para cast calm so randall has decided

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that he will live in the world of echo

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echo echo and i don't believe that we

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should respond to the word echo echo

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echo it's like a cannon in Echo Canyon

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Canyon Canyon it's not a bad echo I was

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thinking that last week on after the

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para cast what we did with Randall is we

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made him sound like one of the Chipmunks

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like Alvin all right remember Alvin and

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the Chipmunks yeah

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okay so last week we made him sound like

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Alvin and this week he's gonna live in

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an echo it's better than living in a

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bubble let me tell you it really is but

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no Randall Randall is I will say this

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publicly without exception this guy is

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great and I'm so happy that he decided

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to work with us on the para cast but

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more importantly that he's turning

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himself into a real radio broadcaster

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Randall Tyne I would suck it up you

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don't get any more compliments okay

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that's good you just keep going as long

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as you want there Gina I'll to go with

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what I've been all up what I've done

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previous interviews anyway with Nigel

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the thing that interested me of course

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is that you have a very wide and

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balanced spectrum of interest in UFOs

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and I'm looking at the books you started

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writing so you've been interested in

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this subject obviously since before you

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got your degree that takes us back to

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the 70s or something like that you must

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have been like 2 years old

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hey I was a teenager when the man landed

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on the moon and that's what so I've got

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really interested

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subjects of late sixty's and it was a

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sort of exciting time then when all the

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you know moon landings occurred and you

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know lots of theories about life out

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there and also um things like Chariots

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of the Gods by Erich von däniken was

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serialized in with sort of Sunday

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newspapers so I sort of read or

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everything I could about space

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exploration and you know which segwayed

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into you folks really so it was a

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downward slope yeah yeah so I suppose

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that was the thing that back then I

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don't think there was such establishment

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support for you know the search for

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extraterrestrial intelligence even that

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was seen as rather you know on the

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margins of science so it's interesting

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now that you know that is something more

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acceptable because of a discovery of

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exoplanets was far more effort being put

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into you know searching for any signals

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from outer space but you know Rob

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frustratingly that's as hard to find as

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evidence for UFOs really so you know

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things then still have are still ongoing

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really and we still got a lot of you

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know mysteries for us to explore as a

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psychologist when you're describing the

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descriptions of what we'd call UFOs and

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aliens today by people in the past do

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you think they were seeing the same

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things as we are today but didn't have

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the vocabulary we do or do you think you

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were actually seeing completely

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different types of things like you know

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if fairies little people with wings and

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in gnomes with hats or

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you know what I'm saying yeah I think

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people tend to interpret things in terms

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of her own you know social and cultural

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background really and so you know with

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the phantom airships people were reading

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about real airships being

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Zeppelin in Germany so in a way with the

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kind of context of our there's a light

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in the sky so we automatically assumed

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it was a German Zeppelin or in America

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in 1896 and 97 was this great airship

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scare there where people assumed it was

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a work of some secret inventor who'd

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been had to create this wonderful full

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flying machine that was flying over of

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the states and before that say people

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saw a light in the sky and might

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interpret it as a of ghostly with will

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of a whisk borrowers an angel or a fairy

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so I suppose the context of it is very

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much important with anything that solve

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ambiguous and people I suppose that

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first said oh we can't believe her own

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house and then they have to kind of

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interpret it in terms of what you know

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what's going on really

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and it's quite interesting in the years

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ago I saw something in the headlines of

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our local newspaper up in scuffle which

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said that radar picked up mystery

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signals we assumed it was illegal

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immigrants flying in to Lincolnshire was

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only a few years before that if it'd

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been a flying saucer wave going on or

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anything people would have said you know

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it's mystery signals of a flying saucer

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so sometimes its context you know the

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context kind of affect people I suppose

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some people interpret this is there is a

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yourself UFO intelligence which projects

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an image of itself in terms of what we

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can understand

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so aliens in the past would you know

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portray themselves as fairies or things

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in fiery ships and things you know so

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that people would be add to grasp it

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otherwise them you know people might not

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even be at come to grips with it at all

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or was the other point of view that

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there's quite a lot of phenomena you

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know with things like it's mundane as

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medias or

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of a moon or even stars or anything

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kinda quite spooky in certain

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circumstance it's so perhaps you know

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with a lot of natural phenomenon that

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could trigger sightings not just now but

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in the past but you know very again you

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know it's down to our people interpreted

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things I find it fascinating also things

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like ball lightning which is something

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else that's only just about being

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accepted by science has got quite a lot

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of peculiar characteristics and I think

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it's a good possibility but a lot of

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people who have reported UFOs have

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actually seen ball lightning so you know

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in a way if you look at UFO dates that

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you can discover of a rare phenomenon in

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it so you know I think it's worthwhile

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for scientists to look at this data in

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your book you've got one of them the

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Ebro UFOs of the first world war and so

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yeah so on the cover there we received a

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kind of a red triplane is Red Baron type

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of saying and then up above in the

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clouds you can see there's this sort of

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massive looking saucer so so you you

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know would the pilot of the of the

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triplane look up and see a Zeppelin or

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would they see something that looks more

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like the picture and just only describe

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it as a Zeppelin because they don't know

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what else to call it

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yeah I think about say I think a lot of

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the newspaper reports where of just

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lights in the sky and but some people

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imagined who was sort of dark you know

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body above the light so in a way you

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know people can add features to

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something and you know in the American

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airship scare people saw things with all

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sorts of router's and wings and flaps

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and things so you know these were

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incredible things that didn't even look

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you know like any aircraft we've ever

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seen an actual Watson will continue with

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New York Times says the top lawyer at

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the White House apparently had quite a

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bit to say to Robert Muller's team as it

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complicated not only helping plot the

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president's legal strategy but also as a

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Randall is gonna say you know I'm doing

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this so well maybe what I could do

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way all day long

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chamber okay they did with her voice box

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and this way we could just do anything

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we want I have a big question before we

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go on here about what we see and what's

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there so you're suggesting Nigel Watson

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that at least in some cases we have the

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lights in the sky or whatever and that's

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quite often what we photograph that we

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very rarely see detailed photos of UFOs

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and then we are filling in the details

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the phenomenon is working screwing

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around with our subconscious yeah I

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think that can happen a lot and also you

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know it's better to get a story from a

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person you know fairly soon after the

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sighting because I think another thing

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is our people you know was this element

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of contamination people might start in a

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reading boots and things and then kind

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of add more to their story

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I think that might be a factor in

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something like the Betty and Barney Hill

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case which is one of the most famous of

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early abduction cases and they

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experienced missing time but only within

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days of experience

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Betty Hill had got a book by Donald

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Kehoe I think it was and that got

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herself interpret him what had happened

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in terms of you know fine sauce as a new

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foes so I think if it wasn't perhaps for

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her finding about book you know it it

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just might have been a matter of just a

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few odd nightmares and you know her it

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might have just dissipated really but as

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it happened

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her and Barney was still home

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by some nightmares about this missing

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time period until ver it led to hypnotic

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regression so you know I think people

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can read a lot into something but it can

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be quite simple but you know obviously

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the betting Barney Hill case is quite a

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complex case anyway so I think you know

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it's really hard to really get to the

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bottom of you know what really happens

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with a lot of these sort of classic

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abduction cases well this brings us to

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another good point for you as a person

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with a degree in psychology what do you

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think of hypnotic regression as a tool

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for investigation well funnily enough in

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England largely through the efforts of

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Jenny Randall's

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who was head of the British you for

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research association's investigations

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team back in the seventies they kind of

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put a sort of Ahlan tarry burn on any

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hypnotic regression because I felt it

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was you know disturbing as to try and

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bring back painful memories to people

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and also it kinds of I think really we

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don't believe so much in the power of

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hypnotic regression I think the problem

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is a human brain doesn't work like a

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tape recorder it's from our room Satya

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from that really so and also weave

646
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hypnotic regression if people can be us

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leading questions and it can be great

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some people can be putting words into

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witness's mouths really and so you

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probably don't get so many British

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abduction cases you know largely due to

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that and know so Barossa and abduction

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cases where hypnotic regression hasn't

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been used some people have record things

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I think in terms of a bet in Barney Hill

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case it was done in terms of therapy and

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counseling really to help Barney over

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his nightmares so in a way I was trying

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to help them as I think the problem is

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you follow gist can be a bit too

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just to solve hypnotically regress

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people just to get out of you know date

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about very eager to get out of rather

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than to think about how versa will

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affect the person it was that visa

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experience it's because I think

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particularly abduction instances so you

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were saying in other words that you

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think people who are investigating UFO

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reports or abduction reports might be

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less objective than a therapist who is

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simply trying to help their patient yeah

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I think that's right and they're

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particularly worrying some ufologists

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learned how to become it's just

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themselves and I don't think it was

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really right to unleash unqualified

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people onto you know on to the public

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really and I think you know like I say

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love you vowing counters or abductions

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00:32:26,139 --> 00:32:23,059
can be particularly dramatic instances

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and people can experience nightmares and

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flashbacks and different things and to

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bring in hypnotic regression doesn't

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necessarily drag out the vitru recall of

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what might have happened in a certain

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period of missing time it might be just

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that you know the hypnotist has put

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words into the person's mouth or it's

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just sent them just further into a kind

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of a fantasy zone whether might you know

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just just imagine what might have

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happened in about missing period rather

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than what might have actually happened I

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think there's several instances where

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people has ever been abducted and have

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been seen by people outside observers to

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see that were actually sleeping or in

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some sort of fugue state so I think

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that's something but that's worth noting

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mats are these I'm sorry to interrupt

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there can you elaborate on that a little

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00:33:32,379 --> 00:33:29,720
bit are you saying that actually there

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was an person a separate person who is

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observing

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the person who was claiming to have an

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00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:38,220
abduction experience but they were right

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00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:40,500
there and they were in sort of an

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altered and altered a psychological

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state yeah well I can't name one offhand

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I think somebody did observer of

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somebody like George Adamski this is

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00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,830
some notorious contact II and somebody

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00:33:59,960 --> 00:33:57,600
said that you know when he had one of

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his experiences they observed him

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00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:02,640
actually sleeping but I think that's an

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area that would be worth looking into

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because after them

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people om who was supposed to have

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joined like fairy rings went into a

721
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fugue state and fought for worth in the

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fairy ring for a few minutes or

723
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something a member came out of it and it

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was like years later you know herself

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classic um folk tale really and in a

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ways a you know it can equate with her

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butchering cases where people have gone

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away and the time has kind of

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disappeared for them and then until we

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come back to reality I think people can

731
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go into a fugue state that's probably

732
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what might have caused Moreau missing

733
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time and abduction experience the only

734
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:56,130
thing is you know in certain cases like

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Betty and Barney Hill it was two of them

736
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but was usually if there are two people

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who are abducted they usually separated

738
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when were on board V craft and also it

739
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tends to be a dominant one in this case

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Betty who are really keen on putting

741
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across the story and then Barney was

742
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less keen on you know gaining publicity

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same with the case of Calvin Parker and

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Charles Hickson ooh you know the two

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fishermen they they encountered him

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where we saw something like a blue

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flashing light I'm Emma saw a fish

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shaped UFO and then free really strange

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looking mummy light entities came and

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grabbed them but when we were taken

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inside the UFO

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separated and afterwards some Calvin

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decided to stay quiet about it he didn't

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want any publicity as Charles was keen

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to get publicity and thought about you

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know we were gonna get further it and

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it's the terrestrial visitations really

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and I predicted that in there will be

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mass UFO sightings about sort of fee

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Nigel Watson Jean Steinberg J Randall

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podcast the gold standard of paranormal

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radio so we're talking about abductions

869
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abductions evolving into people

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mentioning Betty and Barney Hill and

871
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also Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker

872
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that's the Pascagoula Mississippi case

873
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we've got a lot more to talk about so we

874
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present once again our special guests

875
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Nigel Watson so it seems to happen about

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when you get to people it's kind of a

877
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bit frustrating because usually it was a

878
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dominant person involved and I came

879
00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:37,280
across a similar instance in them

880
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England where somebody called Paul

881
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:44,190
Bennett he was only 12 years old but he

882
00:41:50,660 --> 00:41:46,470
was a dominant member of his group of

883
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:50,670
friends and once with one of his friends

884
00:41:58,460 --> 00:41:53,700
he observed us up 12 foot high green

885
00:42:00,920 --> 00:41:58,470
robot like scooping up soil and it was

886
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with his friend as well and his friend

887
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:03,750
said something like I think I saw it as

888
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:07,020
well but if Paul says that's what was

889
00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:10,730
where I believe it was we're sort of

890
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:13,859
thing yeah so it's hard to pin down

891
00:42:20,569 --> 00:42:18,930
really um and also you know it was

892
00:42:22,549 --> 00:42:20,579
virtually impossible to get out of

893
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:22,559
people just a few minutes after anything

894
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:25,079
live and to separate them and get my

895
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:29,210
separate stories I think also people's

896
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:32,130
memories change over time as well and

897
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:34,380
it's quite interesting as well I was

898
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:38,400
just looking at sightings in the 1970s

899
00:42:43,660 --> 00:42:41,730
and a lot of them were self like weird

900
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:43,670
scaly creatures

901
00:42:50,589 --> 00:42:46,240
things that look like we're wolves or

902
00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:50,599
dwarf like creatures and was a big

903
00:42:57,609 --> 00:42:53,720
variety of alien entities of things like

904
00:42:59,770 --> 00:42:57,619
robots and mummies and whereas once you

905
00:43:02,890 --> 00:42:59,780
get into the nineteen eighties for kind

906
00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:02,900
of grey alien became very prevalent

907
00:43:08,109 --> 00:43:05,990
you know witless Rovers Communion and

908
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:08,119
the alien on the cover seems to dominate

909
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:12,490
everything now and so that might be a

910
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:15,650
bit of social conditioning where you

911
00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:19,940
know if people report an alien it should

912
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:22,670
conform to how you know other aliens

913
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,930
have been reported and so you know and I

914
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:29,359
think films like Close Encounters of the

915
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:32,329
Third Kind were important in sort of

916
00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:37,130
establishing yeah spindly aliens with

917
00:43:44,890 --> 00:43:41,630
large heads which have dominated with

918
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,900
subject since you know when you go back

919
00:43:51,099 --> 00:43:47,599
to things like hypnotic regression I

920
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:51,109
know that our old friend Kevin Randall

921
00:43:58,329 --> 00:43:54,049
co-authored a book about that always

922
00:44:02,410 --> 00:43:58,339
suspicious always concerned about the

923
00:44:06,579 --> 00:44:02,420
practice of using hypnosis for trying to

924
00:44:10,030 --> 00:44:06,589
get memories of something so the concern

925
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:10,040
I have here is if we have a practice of

926
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:11,480
retrieving information that's

927
00:44:21,309 --> 00:44:16,930
questionable then it makes the case

928
00:44:25,740 --> 00:44:21,319
suspect in many ways and I know I've had

929
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:25,750
assurances up and down and sideways that

930
00:44:31,799 --> 00:44:29,119
hypnotic regression under proper

931
00:44:34,329 --> 00:44:31,809
conditions can be a valuable way of

932
00:44:36,670 --> 00:44:34,339
recalling forgotten or repressed

933
00:44:38,890 --> 00:44:36,680
information and maybe that's good for

934
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:38,900
psychologists and everything I've been

935
00:44:46,059 --> 00:44:42,250
trying to find evidence of some kind of

936
00:44:49,690 --> 00:44:46,069
trauma but not a trauma meeting aliens

937
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,700
but maybe an attack or something like

938
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:51,680
that or a rape as a matter of fact

939
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:53,660
something like that or they're trying to

940
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,210
do good things but you can't take that

941
00:45:02,130 --> 00:44:57,599
as

942
00:45:04,289 --> 00:45:02,140
little literal testimony it's just a

943
00:45:06,959 --> 00:45:04,299
research tool now if you're trying to

944
00:45:09,449 --> 00:45:06,969
say this is evidence that they met any T

945
00:45:12,059 --> 00:45:09,459
well maybe they remembered that way but

946
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:12,069
this no guarantee that whatever they

947
00:45:19,579 --> 00:45:17,410
interacted with is et I think the thing

948
00:45:22,949 --> 00:45:19,589
is though if somebody has a traumatic

949
00:45:26,609 --> 00:45:22,959
encounter or traumatic episode in my

950
00:45:29,219 --> 00:45:26,619
life if I a leaves might be covering

951
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:29,229
something realistic it's something else

952
00:45:35,339 --> 00:45:31,839
that might have happened you know some

953
00:45:37,259 --> 00:45:35,349
near-death experience or something you

954
00:45:39,569 --> 00:45:37,269
know more earthbound and we're kind of

955
00:45:43,289 --> 00:45:39,579
covering it up with stories of aliens

956
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:43,299
and things so you know I think the

957
00:45:48,839 --> 00:45:46,089
problem is with things like um lie

958
00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:48,849
detector taste tests as well this humbly

959
00:45:53,579 --> 00:45:51,880
firmly believes in something you know

960
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,589
for my yeah it would pass a lie-detector

961
00:45:58,199 --> 00:45:56,079
test but that doesn't mean to say it's

962
00:46:00,059 --> 00:45:58,209
real you know perhaps if you run a

963
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:00,069
lie-detector test on somebody who

964
00:46:04,799 --> 00:46:02,890
believes the earth is flat would come

965
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:04,809
out of it as being truthful but that

966
00:46:11,069 --> 00:46:08,319
doesn't make the earth flat or global

967
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:11,079
does it you know so I think using

968
00:46:18,029 --> 00:46:14,249
hypnosis is another thing where it's

969
00:46:22,249 --> 00:46:18,039
you're just bringing in something as

970
00:46:26,099 --> 00:46:22,259
exotic as UFOs to to examine as a

971
00:46:28,499 --> 00:46:26,109
subject which is already quite cloudy if

972
00:46:30,659 --> 00:46:28,509
you know what I mean so um you know I

973
00:46:32,549 --> 00:46:30,669
think we're just muddying the waters

974
00:46:35,009 --> 00:46:32,559
we've hypnotic regression I think as

975
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:35,019
well and when some people might welcome

976
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:37,689
it but I think some people like um I

977
00:46:47,399 --> 00:46:40,209
think with Charles Hickson and Calvin

978
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:47,409
Parker by hypnotically regress not long

979
00:46:53,219 --> 00:46:49,209
after burying couch and we're we're too

980
00:46:56,399 --> 00:46:53,229
traumatized to go through hypnosis and

981
00:47:00,299 --> 00:46:56,409
were terminated it quite quickly so when

982
00:47:03,809 --> 00:47:00,309
I think it's using human minds and

983
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,819
emotion can be great you know it's quite

984
00:47:10,140 --> 00:47:06,400
quite powerful really and so I think

985
00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:10,150
you've got to be more careful and not to

986
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:10,750
be too

987
00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:14,410
K'naan just collecting evidence there's

988
00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:16,300
something interesting here just as

989
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:19,180
coincidental two weeks around the power

990
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:21,330
cast we'll be featuring Calvin Parker

991
00:47:27,570 --> 00:47:25,390
it's published by Philip mantel and I

992
00:47:31,530 --> 00:47:27,580
think that leads us the questions we

993
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:31,540
should be asking him don't you think mmm

994
00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:34,420
I think yeah because he was hypnotically

995
00:47:41,010 --> 00:47:37,150
regressed by Budd Hopkins and it's great

996
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,020
this book has just come out by Parker

997
00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:43,440
actually as a transcript of that

998
00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:45,640
hypnotic regression it'd be interesting

999
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:49,960
to see if he thinks it actually relates

1000
00:47:56,820 --> 00:47:53,880
to some missing time episode he had how

1001
00:48:00,600 --> 00:47:56,830
realistic it is or whether it's just a

1002
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:00,610
kind of fantasy to try to fill the void

1003
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:04,720
you know and well when I was reading

1004
00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:08,770
about it I was just wondering what he

1005
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:13,360
uncharted some were very traumatized and

1006
00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:15,070
when they were interviewed by the

1007
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,120
Sheriff's Office we obviously didn't

1008
00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:21,520
seem like people making up a story but

1009
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:23,800
general genuinely seemed like that

1010
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:28,570
they'd had some really powerful

1011
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:32,500
experience whatever it was and and I was

1012
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:34,450
just wondering if it could have perhaps

1013
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:37,810
been triggered by something like ball

1014
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,940
lightning because they did see a blue

1015
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:42,400
lights and something zip through the sky

1016
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:45,970
and then an illumination coming from his

1017
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:49,690
large object I just wondered if he's

1018
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:53,910
ever considered any you know other

1019
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:56,710
explanations than it being a spaceship

1020
00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:00,160
yeah actually we've got Michael

1021
00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:04,270
Persinger who he theorizes exactly that

1022
00:49:10,110 --> 00:49:07,030
or some cases you know in connection

1023
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:10,120
with the earth lights which is theorized

1024
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:13,650
to be a lot of e/m generated by a

1025
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:16,510
tectonic plate activity and so on could

1026
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:20,650
theoretically affect a person's mind so

1027
00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:24,430
what can you tell us more about what if

1028
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:26,620
huge state is because I think some

1029
00:49:31,410 --> 00:49:28,530
people have heard it but we don't really

1030
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:31,420
understand it what actually happens to a

1031
00:49:36,930 --> 00:49:34,740
person when they go into a fugue state

1032
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:36,940
one thing here we got about a minute

1033
00:49:44,580 --> 00:49:41,490
before we break the way ahead Nigel okay

1034
00:49:46,290 --> 00:49:44,590
well just go into I suppose some people

1035
00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:46,300
have called it notice state of reality

1036
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:49,780
so we can be cut off of a sense as a

1037
00:49:57,780 --> 00:49:51,910
kind of cut off and then things are

1038
00:50:01,410 --> 00:49:57,790
going on in my mind and you know server

1039
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,420
just detached from reality it's a bit

1040
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:03,760
like um hypnagogic and hypnopompic

1041
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:07,510
hallucinations which happen the phases

1042
00:50:14,850 --> 00:50:11,050
between going to sleep and waking up you

1043
00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:14,860
have brain doesn't acknowledge outside

1044
00:50:22,140 --> 00:50:19,600
stimuli and makes up things and so you

1045
00:50:24,810 --> 00:50:22,150
can have quite realistic of experiences

1046
00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:24,820
of things even bovver not physically

1047
00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:27,220
they're the kind of hallucination I

1048
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,440
suppose and jenni Randall's has also

1049
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:34,960
called whistles factor whereas people

1050
00:50:40,350 --> 00:50:37,330
have seen UFOs would seem to go into a

1051
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:40,360
completely different zone of reality

1052
00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:42,250
where you can't hear a bird sing you

1053
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:44,470
know everything it seems to come to a

1054
00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:48,160
stop and so what the ausf actor might be

1055
00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:51,550
something like a fugue state as well I

1056
00:50:56,370 --> 00:50:54,100
think there's quite a lot in you know

1057
00:50:59,730 --> 00:50:56,380
psychological literature to kind of look

1058
00:51:02,790 --> 00:50:59,740
up and perhaps relate to info type

1059
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:02,800
experiences we go i more to talk about

1060
00:51:08,850 --> 00:51:05,610
here abductions and other things

1061
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:08,860
Nigel Watson Jean Steinberg J Randall

1062
00:51:16,090 --> 00:51:20,680
[Music]

1063
00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:24,580
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1069
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intelligence officer is haunted by

1070
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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1071
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pleading for his help after a terrible

1072
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battle in outer space but the dreams

1073
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turn out to be true and thrust him into

1074
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a telepathic love affair with a woman

1075
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1081
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1082
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[Music]

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jane Steinberg the inhalation

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gentleman when we do our breaks here

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normally we go from a segment to segment

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and then we insert the ads and

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everything we record these shows this

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time I took a ten-minute break to get

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some business done and they had ten

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minutes ladies and gentlemen to talk

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about me behind my back isn't that

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amazing that opportunity that was

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presenting yourself it's just

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spectacular

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anyway we get back to UFO abductions the

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flaws of regressive hypnosis and you

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mentioned briefly Nigel Watson about the

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resemblance between near-death

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experiences and abductions which is

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something that we've talked about quite

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a while how do you look at that I think

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quite a lot of different experiences can

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be interpreted in different different

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perspectives really you know you foes is

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something you know we're more keen on

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but obviously some people might have a

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similar experience to an alien abduction

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but regarded as something like an

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out-of-body experience or a very intense

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dream even you know I think um you know

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people have had some intense fantasies

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about these things but some you know I

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think in early cherries but quite

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intense recollections of something that

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believed actually occurred that's really

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that's really interesting because it

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sounds excuse me here just for backing

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up a bit that this is a lot again like

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the fugue state we were talking about

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just before the break where we where it

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seems to be like a waking dream I've

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actually lost loss of memory and wake up

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you know could be they become function

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and then suddenly there can be

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in for a week or something and then

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reappear and we don't know her name or

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anything you know it's um it's like an

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episode of amnesia and sometimes this

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occurs because people have been some

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victims of dramatic things like sexual

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abuse and you know we can have quite a

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few traumatic episodes like that and

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then we might enter a fugue state where

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you brain kind of literal ease and the

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switch is off clocks off these these

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traumas and then people reappear and

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sometimes you know these things could

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just happen for perhaps just a short

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period but we can be quite long as well

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so you know this is something that you

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know I think the human mind is a lot

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more complex and some serve a lien um

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but abduction books stayed really

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because you know we're obviously most of

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them are from herself lands you know a

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spaceship faeries whereas I think if you

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look into just different psychological

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states you notice that quite a lot of

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them you know can reflect what's in some

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of the literature as well but you know

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it's a notoriously difficult area to

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sort of that actually pin down what

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might be occurring with people and I

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think John keel years ago said you know

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you should discover what we witness had

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for breakfast I don't think he meant

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about literally well you might think you

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know some substances can able to your

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mind you know book Schramm

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well factors you should be more aware of

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the overall context of a person and not

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just from the context of this reciting I

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think that's interesting about Calvin

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Parker's new book and you're gonna speak

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to him soon because it gives is the

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background to what happened to him and

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it's quite intense what what did happen

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to him you were just talking about how

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people can go into these fugue states

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and actually wake up several days later

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yes people have even be we've been

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missing for years and don't realize who

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they are it's bit like Jason Bourne

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really where he has flashbacks to his

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existence before we become part of a

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massage CIA program so as far as that

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takes us into a different area but you

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know people upset we've been so

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brainwashed our program by different

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nefarious agencies you know the CIA and

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other US government agencies did

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intensively look out I were to change

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people's perception she was in LSD and

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even investigated

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you know remote viewing and all sorts of

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different things I'm one person even

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allege that a lot of these classic

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abduction experiences were actually

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simulations that were conducted by the

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United States to kind of test people you

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know it was quite a few intriguing

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possibilities about how you know what

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what does cause a UFO experiences well

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then you know it's not a simple thing

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something like the Travis Walton case

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then I mean that could have eased that

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can easily be attributed then to this

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sort of a fugue state where he gets out

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of the truck he goes to investigate

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which seems to be some sort of anomalous

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light which a number of investigators

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have likened to a you know a nighttime

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blind for hunting about that time here

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and you know he's he gets sort of

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00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,829
disoriented by the lights Falls bumps

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00:59:58,199 --> 00:59:56,079
his head that truck takes off and so

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he's got sort of the bump on his head

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01:00:02,130 --> 01:00:00,430
that sends him into a fugue state where

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all he remembers is being on an alien

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01:00:08,219 --> 01:00:05,799
ship for a few days yeah I think that

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one again is something way you might

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01:00:11,609 --> 01:00:10,059
think even something I don't know what

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01:00:13,529 --> 01:00:11,619
the weather conditions were like or

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01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:13,539
anything but we're against something

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01:00:17,090 --> 01:00:15,849
like bar lightning might've even

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occurred

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cause of Flash and might have emotion

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01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:22,470
yeah disturbed him so much but he

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entered a fugue state and when a few

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01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:28,530
days into a few days later is able to he

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has no memory of what happens between

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01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:35,780
you know that event and reappearing to

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society and very again I think his

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hypnotic regression that might about a

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big factory map it also has been a big

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debate over whether II passed

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lie-detector tests or anything like that

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I think the thing about lie-detector

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test is like I said before is that were

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a bit of a red herring really and I

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think in a way try this a bit like

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Calvin Parker of of Tech Epps of a story

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so I think we do actually believe these

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things happen to them but you know what

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what actually causes it you were saying

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about microphone singers theory of you

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know platonic strain and different them

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you know bees earthquake lights and

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plasmas be liable lightning could

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actually cause people to you know

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hallucinate and everything is alien

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01:01:33,290 --> 01:01:31,800
experiences a person this was just I

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think it was just actually last year

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they made the news or back in February

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something like that because he was on a

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skiing trip and he turned up six days

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later with barely any memory of how he

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got there and a new iPhone and a haircut

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and it turned out that he'd had some

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sort of skiing accident and crawled in

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the back of someone's truck and he

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really didn't remember any of it until

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he people helped him trace back what

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really happened you know he's you you

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read back in the fourteen literature

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people say were being teleported one

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minute marine one City member turned up

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in another city but where again it might

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be because something like that happened

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and you know way but don't recall the

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journey you know and I think sometimes

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you know if you drive up now

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it's I think and they're tired sometimes

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they you forget how parts of your

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journey because your mind kind of

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switches often if you know how did okay

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so before we progress I want to remind

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you about something that we haven't

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podcast.com you notice Randall is

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refining the echo it's just very gentle

1430
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,280
very slight yeah you know Nigel here's

1431
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:01,680
the thing when we listen to this a lot

1432
01:08:06,049 --> 01:08:04,170
of times people are so used to doing

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something everyday like traveling to

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work or something like that we're taking

1435
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you driven in a car and you don't want

1436
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to think people do this but they do we

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all do it and that is we go somewhere

1438
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:18,089
and we get there and the trip is over

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and probably we remember very little if

1440
01:08:25,820 --> 01:08:23,609
anything about that trip now we might be

1441
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,830
perfectly safe drivers I assume most of

1442
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:27,839
us are maybe we're listening to the

1443
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radio maybe we're talking to somebody on

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the telephone

1445
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hopefully hands-free hands-free

1446
01:08:37,939 --> 01:08:36,179
hands-free and where somebody's sitting

1447
01:08:39,650 --> 01:08:37,949
next to you and you're having a

1448
01:08:42,169 --> 01:08:39,660
discussion it's relaxing and

1449
01:08:44,749 --> 01:08:42,179
everything's going okay but if you

1450
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:44,759
actually tried to remember what happened

1451
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:46,770
after you reach your destination you

1452
01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:52,500
can't I do the same journey quite

1453
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:55,799
regularly and he can't recall one

1454
01:09:00,890 --> 01:08:57,810
journey from another one really unless

1455
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:00,900
something something weird happens you

1456
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:02,489
know there's an accident or something

1457
01:09:07,729 --> 01:09:05,850
being a version or something but your

1458
01:09:10,519 --> 01:09:07,739
mind just switches it off because

1459
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,529
there's no new stimulus saying it's just

1460
01:09:17,900 --> 01:09:13,440
like there was nothing to see so you

1461
01:09:20,329 --> 01:09:17,910
just turn yourself off and really

1462
01:09:22,579 --> 01:09:20,339
because there's some things like say at

1463
01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:22,589
work you see certain things but if you

1464
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:26,160
were to write down what it says on say a

1465
01:09:29,630 --> 01:09:27,900
notice board you see

1466
01:09:32,539 --> 01:09:29,640
every day you'd probably only get half

1467
01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:32,549
of it right I think that the tune to

1468
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:35,100
what's important to a supper time and

1469
01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:38,130
Tunes out of it you know because I think

1470
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:39,750
that this syndrome where people can

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01:09:44,959 --> 01:09:42,480
remember everything but because of

1472
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:44,969
remember everything is so much data we'd

1473
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have to live another life to go through

1474
01:09:52,189 --> 01:09:49,560
all those memories again so you know

1475
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,199
normally our brains just filter out of

1476
01:09:57,380 --> 01:09:54,719
it and the trash and just boost to

1477
01:10:00,110 --> 01:09:57,390
attention yeah what what we need at the

1478
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,120
time you know and yeah yeah it's quite

1479
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:02,880
fascinating really about what happens to

1480
01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:03,840
the human brain

1481
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:06,780
I think psychology or psychiatry shows

1482
01:10:12,979 --> 01:10:10,140
what happens when reminders pushed to

1483
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:12,989
the edge or um it's submitted to things

1484
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,290
like Lucinda genic drugs or um outside

1485
01:10:21,140 --> 01:10:18,719
stimuli as well as things that might go

1486
01:10:24,110 --> 01:10:21,150
on you know the biology of the brain of

1487
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:24,120
a makeup of a brain so as if the

1488
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:26,610
interface between external factors and

1489
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your own biology as well but you know

1490
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:33,659
this idea of fantasy prone people are

1491
01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:36,650
more likely perhaps to be witnesses to

1492
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:39,900
abductions of things because the minds

1493
01:10:45,530 --> 01:10:42,719
more conditioned to look at things in a

1494
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:45,540
more fantastic way so there's elements

1495
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:49,110
about really to look at so what about

1496
01:10:53,060 --> 01:10:51,449
channeling then how did how does that

1497
01:10:56,060 --> 01:10:53,070
sort of fit in there because those

1498
01:10:59,209 --> 01:10:56,070
people seem to go into their own little

1499
01:11:01,640 --> 01:10:59,219
world when they're doing that somebody

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01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:01,650
years ago well it went into a medium

1501
01:11:06,770 --> 01:11:03,510
estate trance and had a communication

1502
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:06,780
with venetians I think I get the feeling

1503
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:09,330
she wasn't particularly into UFOs I

1504
01:11:14,780 --> 01:11:12,000
think she kind of tuned herself into

1505
01:11:18,169 --> 01:11:14,790
what she thought we might want to hear a

1506
01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:18,179
lot of channeling is kind of seeking

1507
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:20,520
certain things or perhaps tuning into

1508
01:11:27,979 --> 01:11:24,690
things either they want to find out or

1509
01:11:32,209 --> 01:11:27,989
what other people want to hear really I

1510
01:11:34,750 --> 01:11:32,219
don't know how legitimate Israeli people

1511
01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:34,760
have tried using all sorts of sort of

1512
01:11:40,379 --> 01:11:37,710
techniques like even using their Ouija

1513
01:11:43,979 --> 01:11:40,389
boards to contact alien so

1514
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:43,989
as opposed to arias who can emerge I

1515
01:11:50,389 --> 01:11:46,719
think a lot of the early contactees were

1516
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:50,399
more prone to indulge in channeling and

1517
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:53,110
esoteric ways of trying to contact you

1518
01:11:58,859 --> 01:11:56,320
foes but a lot of people have also just

1519
01:12:01,049 --> 01:11:58,869
seen lights of the sky moving about the

1520
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,059
felt that the lights seem to be tuned

1521
01:12:06,330 --> 01:12:03,760
into her own brain um but you know if a

1522
01:12:08,489 --> 01:12:06,340
flash of light at it that you first seem

1523
01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:08,499
to respond to them or if a move ahead

1524
01:12:12,689 --> 01:12:10,510
it's it's a move in conjunction with

1525
01:12:15,209 --> 01:12:12,699
them or what they're thinking about you

1526
01:12:18,379 --> 01:12:15,219
know it was quite a few areas where it

1527
01:12:21,299 --> 01:12:18,389
merges into what because of psychic and

1528
01:12:24,389 --> 01:12:21,309
paranormal phenomenon but there again

1529
01:12:27,569 --> 01:12:24,399
you know it's is because of some exotic

1530
01:12:29,939 --> 01:12:27,579
origin dar causes or you know you can go

1531
01:12:32,189 --> 01:12:29,949
for skeptical Road and just think well

1532
01:12:35,879 --> 01:12:32,199
these are things that are due to

1533
01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:35,889
psychological factors you know so so no

1534
01:12:41,699 --> 01:12:39,369
new area really as a psychologist so how

1535
01:12:44,219 --> 01:12:41,709
realistic is it to think that all of

1536
01:12:46,109 --> 01:12:44,229
these reports are of that nature I mean

1537
01:12:49,139 --> 01:12:46,119
clearly you're taking a very

1538
01:12:51,629 --> 01:12:49,149
level-headed approach and you appear to

1539
01:12:53,909 --> 01:12:51,639
be ruling out quite a bit of the

1540
01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:53,919
possibilities and attributing it to

1541
01:13:00,139 --> 01:12:57,300
possibly some sort of a psychological

1542
01:13:01,979 --> 01:13:00,149
aberration even if it's transient as

1543
01:13:03,449 --> 01:13:01,989
apologists do you think that they can

1544
01:13:05,509 --> 01:13:03,459
all be explained that way or do you

1545
01:13:08,850 --> 01:13:05,519
think there is a real objective

1546
01:13:11,429 --> 01:13:08,860
phenomena some sort of alien craft from

1547
01:13:13,589 --> 01:13:11,439
we're not sure where but something real

1548
01:13:16,589 --> 01:13:13,599
and objective I think this is something

1549
01:13:19,770 --> 01:13:16,599
where I've faded from belief to

1550
01:13:22,139 --> 01:13:19,780
skepticism and I'm back again because in

1551
01:13:24,359 --> 01:13:22,149
a way you think well if it were aliens

1552
01:13:27,989 --> 01:13:24,369
it would be clever enough to manipulate

1553
01:13:31,139 --> 01:13:27,999
us away you know john cale wrote about

1554
01:13:34,469 --> 01:13:31,149
years ago so in a way we could be

1555
01:13:36,959 --> 01:13:34,479
playing with us and and and you know

1556
01:13:41,250 --> 01:13:36,969
toying with us and the way we might you

1557
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:41,260
know play with animals or things that

1558
01:13:45,839 --> 01:13:44,050
you know in laboratories really so you

1559
01:13:47,879 --> 01:13:45,849
know I think this is so thing about

1560
01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:47,889
charles fort who said you know we are

1561
01:13:53,159 --> 01:13:50,760
property but you know we have been

1562
01:13:53,890 --> 01:13:53,169
experimented on or just playthings of

1563
01:13:58,899 --> 01:13:53,900
alien

1564
01:14:01,299 --> 01:13:58,909
so I think that's something I think it's

1565
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:01,309
an in it's an interesting concept really

1566
01:14:06,370 --> 01:14:03,289
I think it's it's flawed alliance of

1567
01:14:11,379 --> 01:14:06,380
them in science fiction novels as well

1568
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:11,389
on the other hand we've say a lot of UFO

1569
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:14,719
cases you think you can explain them all

1570
01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:17,209
and then you come across some but every

1571
01:14:21,729 --> 01:14:19,249
ufology seems to have a case wherever

1572
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:21,739
say oh yeah that's true I've said in

1573
01:14:26,199 --> 01:14:24,050
this instance of you know spoke to

1574
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,209
somebody and they add certain amount of

1575
01:14:30,909 --> 01:14:28,880
evidence and you know that's what tips

1576
01:14:32,799 --> 01:14:30,919
are balance from it just being perhaps

1577
01:14:35,919 --> 01:14:32,809
of psychological things perhaps

1578
01:14:38,049 --> 01:14:35,929
something else is going on perhaps it's

1579
01:14:40,419 --> 01:14:38,059
something you know for maybe some really

1580
01:14:43,949 --> 01:14:40,429
simple explanations often the most

1581
01:14:47,020 --> 01:14:43,959
simplest staring us in the face but

1582
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,030
because we're also involved it was

1583
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:49,760
subject so much perhaps it's sometimes

1584
01:14:55,089 --> 01:14:52,729
it's how to see the facts beyond you

1585
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:55,099
know other kind of theories that we have

1586
01:14:59,259 --> 01:14:56,570
but surround us

1587
01:15:00,909 --> 01:14:59,269
so I'm sitting on the fence basically

1588
01:15:03,250 --> 01:15:00,919
there I think here's kind of where I

1589
01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:03,260
draw the line on that I can completely

1590
01:15:09,729 --> 01:15:06,110
agree with everything we've talked about

1591
01:15:12,609 --> 01:15:09,739
up until now and that's why I tend to

1592
01:15:14,409 --> 01:15:12,619
sort of quote abductions and that sort

1593
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,419
of thing kind of out there more in

1594
01:15:19,149 --> 01:15:16,400
fringe you follow gee when we get

1595
01:15:20,770 --> 01:15:19,159
talking about UFOs I start talking I'm

1596
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:20,780
more of a nuts and bolts guy there you

1597
01:15:26,409 --> 01:15:23,570
know are you talking about real craft or

1598
01:15:30,069 --> 01:15:26,419
not it's pretty difficult to just

1599
01:15:32,799 --> 01:15:30,079
discount say when a radar station picks

1600
01:15:36,370 --> 01:15:32,809
up a UFO and they send it yet after it

1601
01:15:39,429 --> 01:15:36,380
and the pilot sees the object while it's

1602
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:39,439
being picked up on radar to me that

1603
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:42,169
seems to be a lot more concrete in terms

1604
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:44,570
of talking about the objectivity of the

1605
01:15:49,299 --> 01:15:46,159
phenomena what do you think about that

1606
01:15:51,909 --> 01:15:49,309
um somebody is just writing a book I

1607
01:15:54,729 --> 01:15:51,919
can't remember the name of it is just

1608
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:54,739
written about UFOs but cut out of alien

1609
01:16:01,390 --> 01:15:57,679
abduction and exotic encounters and just

1610
01:16:04,989 --> 01:16:01,400
looked at sightings by pilots military

1611
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:04,999
and civilian pilots radar cases and you

1612
01:16:09,729 --> 01:16:07,130
know mass sightings of UFOs

1613
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:09,739
or come with Nigel Jean and Randall

1614
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until my brother died at 38 Joe left his

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into this tiny two-bedroom apartment

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just to make ends meet I never want to

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[Music]

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1-800-920-2262 most sure and he had this

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before he went to saucer smear he had

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the real magazine and they did an

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01:21:07,129 --> 01:21:03,090
article this is goes back to like the

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50s or 60s how close will major Donald

1717
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:10,889
Kehoe allow a UFO to get and the

1718
01:21:15,799 --> 01:21:13,170
argument being that someone like him

1719
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:15,809
would accept all sorts of UFO cases but

1720
01:21:19,850 --> 01:21:17,520
as soon as they became close up or

1721
01:21:22,370 --> 01:21:19,860
involved some sort of contact or

1722
01:21:24,979 --> 01:21:22,380
abduction they would not consider it

1723
01:21:26,899 --> 01:21:24,989
just like this and that's I guess the

1724
01:21:28,910 --> 01:21:26,909
argument we had or the discussion we had

1725
01:21:31,609 --> 01:21:28,920
early in the show which is the very

1726
01:21:33,919 --> 01:21:31,619
restrictive way UFOs or looked at were

1727
01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:33,929
UFOs you're using the the classic

1728
01:21:37,970 --> 01:21:36,360
pronunciation which I avoid because I'm

1729
01:21:39,740 --> 01:21:37,980
not trying to sound like I'm too much in

1730
01:21:42,830 --> 01:21:39,750
the field even though I've been here for

1731
01:21:44,689 --> 01:21:42,840
60 years or something but yeah we're

1732
01:21:46,580 --> 01:21:44,699
actually 80 but I don't want admit I'm

1733
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,590
300 years old because I'll think of an

1734
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:48,480
old vampire and I think that's blood

1735
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:52,170
going but the thing is here is there

1736
01:21:58,010 --> 01:21:55,020
you have animu Fon is similar to that

1737
01:22:01,160 --> 01:21:58,020
even though they do accept abductions

1738
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:01,170
which is to put UFOs in a very very

1739
01:22:05,900 --> 01:22:04,010
limited framework you allow a few

1740
01:22:08,090 --> 01:22:05,910
external things I guess they allow

1741
01:22:09,650 --> 01:22:08,100
secret space programs too now because of

1742
01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:09,660
what they did a couple of years ago and

1743
01:22:15,470 --> 01:22:12,540
what that does is we possibly all agree

1744
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:15,480
here is ignore so much of what's going

1745
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:18,510
on which is upsetting I have a question

1746
01:22:22,570 --> 01:22:19,980
here though about some of these

1747
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:22,580
abductions and it's based on an

1748
01:22:28,220 --> 01:22:26,370
appearance by denise stoner and kathleen

1749
01:22:32,260 --> 01:22:28,230
Mardon on the power cast several years

1750
01:22:35,870 --> 01:22:32,270
ago and they co-authored a book where

1751
01:22:36,500 --> 01:22:35,880
Denise says she met somebody while being

1752
01:22:39,770 --> 01:22:36,510
abducted

1753
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:39,780
I guess befriended her and then after

1754
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:41,730
the abductions over actually looked her

1755
01:22:46,010 --> 01:22:43,890
up and she was there so we have a shared

1756
01:22:48,830 --> 01:22:46,020
experience with two real people in

1757
01:22:51,260 --> 01:22:48,840
different parts of the United States who

1758
01:22:56,450 --> 01:22:51,270
had the same experience what's up with

1759
01:22:57,260 --> 01:22:56,460
that would be it's pretty hard to

1760
01:22:59,840 --> 01:22:57,270
explain

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01:23:02,030 --> 01:22:59,850
I think the OL abduction thing like save

1762
01:23:04,940 --> 01:23:02,040
oh is it opens up for no new can of

1763
01:23:06,740 --> 01:23:04,950
worms really I suppose that's why I kind

1764
01:23:09,290 --> 01:23:06,750
of go into being interested in

1765
01:23:12,860 --> 01:23:09,300
psychology but obviously psychology

1766
01:23:15,970 --> 01:23:12,870
doesn't oiso other of the answers either

1767
01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:15,980
and I think the problem is because

1768
01:23:21,650 --> 01:23:19,020
people report these things but tend to

1769
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:21,660
be regarded as crimes people ignore them

1770
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:24,960
and really they could be opening up new

1771
01:23:30,650 --> 01:23:28,560
areas of knowledge really and to see you

1772
01:23:32,710 --> 01:23:30,660
know because a lot of people who are

1773
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:32,720
failing have doesn't necessarily

1774
01:23:38,570 --> 01:23:35,360
traumatized enough to have to consult

1775
01:23:40,820 --> 01:23:38,580
have a medical profession we're kind of

1776
01:23:42,890 --> 01:23:40,830
left of our own devices I think a lot of

1777
01:23:46,190 --> 01:23:42,900
them support groups of setup in the

1778
01:23:51,190 --> 01:23:46,200
eighties and and they've continued since

1779
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:51,200
or on Facebook and something like where

1780
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:53,610
people have said they've seen other

1781
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,730
people on board and the spaceship of

1782
01:24:02,800 --> 01:23:59,280
whatever it is and for them to have

1783
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:02,810
actually that that seems to seem like

1784
01:24:08,940 --> 01:24:05,920
yeah we were actually

1785
01:24:11,190 --> 01:24:08,950
on that some sort of them spaceship but

1786
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:11,200
if you look out something like the books

1787
01:24:19,470 --> 01:24:16,410
by M Budd Hopkins and David Jacob Salafi

1788
01:24:23,220 --> 01:24:19,480
activities by V aliens seems like magic

1789
01:24:27,150 --> 01:24:23,230
people are transported on beams of light

1790
01:24:30,630 --> 01:24:27,160
pass through windows or walls assembly

1791
01:24:32,370 --> 01:24:30,640
appear inside word craft without knowing

1792
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:32,380
have gone through any sort of doorways

1793
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:34,810
so in a way they've been air to pass

1794
01:24:39,540 --> 01:24:38,080
through solid matter and also the aliens

1795
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:39,550
of communicate with them through

1796
01:24:48,090 --> 01:24:42,970
telepathy which is an you know another

1797
01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:48,100
thing that doesn't exist in terms of our

1798
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:51,400
current technology or science so with a

1799
01:24:56,610 --> 01:24:53,530
lot of the things that the aliens are do

1800
01:25:00,210 --> 01:24:56,620
is create sort of magical as much as

1801
01:25:02,820 --> 01:25:00,220
being technological as well and I think

1802
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:02,830
well is very hard also to separate

1803
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,410
between the nuts and bolts you never

1804
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:07,600
done and clear her attitude of like

1805
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:10,330
people were happy when you froze might

1806
01:25:13,290 --> 01:25:12,610
just have been like robot ships or

1807
01:25:16,860 --> 01:25:13,300
anything

1808
01:25:19,770 --> 01:25:16,870
I think magazines like flying saucer

1809
01:25:22,710 --> 01:25:19,780
review and people like John kill started

1810
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:22,720
reporting yeah Maura Maura

1811
01:25:31,470 --> 01:25:25,930
in cases of aliens coming out of landed

1812
01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:31,480
UFOs and so bit by bit these what we're

1813
01:25:37,550 --> 01:25:34,710
originally regarded as survey ships

1814
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:37,560
remote-controlled ones that have become

1815
01:25:44,490 --> 01:25:40,810
populated by all sorts of strange

1816
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:44,500
creatures from humanoids down to you

1817
01:25:52,230 --> 01:25:48,910
know robots and all manner of beings I

1818
01:25:57,170 --> 01:25:52,240
think the only thing is even if he keep

1819
01:25:59,840 --> 01:25:57,180
to the nuts and bolts it does leak into

1820
01:26:02,760 --> 01:25:59,850
areas of

1821
01:26:05,220 --> 01:26:02,770
alien abduction really I think it's hard

1822
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:05,230
like to say you know where is a cutoff

1823
01:26:10,230 --> 01:26:08,050
point where Donald kill wouldn't have

1824
01:26:13,380 --> 01:26:10,240
stepped any further you know it's I

1825
01:26:17,070 --> 01:26:13,390
think that's probably what's happened to

1826
01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:17,080
me I've passed on to other over areas

1827
01:26:19,710 --> 01:26:18,910
beyond one note some boats I don't know

1828
01:26:21,630 --> 01:26:19,720
whether that's a

1829
01:26:25,220 --> 01:26:21,640
finger no I think it's quite good to

1830
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:25,230
have people who were just grounded in

1831
01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:29,770
you know finding technical proof but you

1832
01:26:37,140 --> 01:26:35,320
know was no area beyond that I think

1833
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:37,150
maybe the the book you were thinking of

1834
01:26:42,060 --> 01:26:39,610
is Leslie Keens book UFOs generals

1835
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:42,070
pilots and government go on record yeah

1836
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:45,610
now this is a bit of a long lead up into

1837
01:26:52,670 --> 01:26:49,450
this question here but in a October 26

1838
01:26:56,250 --> 01:26:52,680
2017 article on the online publication

1839
01:27:00,240 --> 01:26:56,260
uni loud you use a quote by Christopher

1840
01:27:03,060 --> 01:27:00,250
Mellon from a may 9th 2016 interview

1841
01:27:06,690 --> 01:27:03,070
hosted by Leslie Kean in Huffington Post

1842
01:27:09,150 --> 01:27:06,700
in which Mellon says I highly doubt the

1843
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:09,160
DoD or any other government agency is

1844
01:27:13,170 --> 01:27:10,960
concealing UFO information I

1845
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:13,180
participated in a comprehensive review

1846
01:27:18,930 --> 01:27:16,210
of DoD's black programs and spent over a

1847
01:27:20,820 --> 01:27:18,940
decade conducting oversight of the

1848
01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:20,830
national foreign intelligence program

1849
01:27:27,660 --> 01:27:24,550
and almost totally separate world of

1850
01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:27,670
Secrets I visited area 51 and other

1851
01:27:31,650 --> 01:27:29,710
military intelligence and research

1852
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:31,660
facilities during all those years I

1853
01:27:36,330 --> 01:27:34,480
never detected the faintest hint of

1854
01:27:39,450 --> 01:27:36,340
government interest or involvement in

1855
01:27:41,850 --> 01:27:39,460
UFOs then only about a year later he's

1856
01:27:47,790 --> 01:27:41,860
getting himself involved with the to the

1857
01:27:49,860 --> 01:27:47,800
Stars Academy and Lewis Elizondo so yeah

1858
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:49,870
you've probably followed some of that so

1859
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:52,690
do you care to comment on on any of that

1860
01:28:00,150 --> 01:27:58,090
to the stars and yeah I think the

1861
01:28:03,540 --> 01:28:00,160
problem with the two to Estelle's

1862
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:03,550
Academy is is just a bit too glitzy for

1863
01:28:09,540 --> 01:28:05,850
my liking and also it's headed by

1864
01:28:11,700 --> 01:28:09,550
yourself celebrity ufology and they you

1865
01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:11,710
know was whole thing about them we kind

1866
01:28:16,710 --> 01:28:14,230
of like the presented a bit of evidence

1867
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:16,720
but it's always like the promise of more

1868
01:28:22,710 --> 01:28:19,530
red and evidence and future quite

1869
01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:22,720
frustrated with so disclosure movement

1870
01:28:28,610 --> 01:28:25,030
which has been going on for four decades

1871
01:28:32,250 --> 01:28:28,620
now and it so is like oh be you know one

1872
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:32,260
definite you know proof that the

1873
01:28:35,729 --> 01:28:33,489
government isn't

1874
01:28:38,129 --> 01:28:35,739
but you know governments have been

1875
01:28:41,729 --> 01:28:38,139
involved in lots of UFO research there's

1876
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:41,739
no denying that but a problem is every

1877
01:28:46,140 --> 01:28:43,090
actually come up with any evidence

1878
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:46,150
that's something else entirely

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01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:50,110
I think Kevin Randall on on his in a

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recent blogger said that the some

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military officer said wish that they had

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evidence of him a crashed flying saucer

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a year after Roswell but he kind of

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showed like my this evidence at Roswell

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didn't occur but the problem is there

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are so many different government

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agencies and the act that might be

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acting without the knowledge of other

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ones really so we're supposed nobody as

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a total overview of of what might be

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going on and you know something like the

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UFO evidence I think it's very hard to

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track down I think you know with the

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Stars Academy is like it's is just

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promising things that people want to

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hear but I think it's still got a long

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way to go really and also there's a kind

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of thing that you know you fellas are

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just an American phenomenon whereas it's

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been a worldwide phenomenon and that you

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know things have gone on in other

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countries hey guys we gotta do our break

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now we got more to come with nitro

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Watson and gene and Randall what kind of

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echo well Randall produce you're in the

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UFO calm you're listening to the Peres

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cast the gold standard of paranormal

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radio I was thinking here he should try

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his Alvin of the Chipmunks voice next ok

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Nyjah let's progress I'm sorry I

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01:35:01,440 --> 01:34:58,930
interrupted you with the previous

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01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:01,450
segment go ahead please okay yeah we

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01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:03,520
were just finishing up about the to the

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01:35:09,180 --> 01:35:06,010
stars Academy and how something or

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01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:09,190
someone like Chris Mellon who being as

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01:35:14,820 --> 01:35:11,850
well placed in the Defense Department

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01:35:17,460 --> 01:35:14,830
had no idea that this program was going

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01:35:19,710 --> 01:35:17,470
on and in less than a year later it

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01:35:22,740 --> 01:35:19,720
finds out about it and gets himself

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01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:22,750
placed into the stars Academy and his

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01:35:28,620 --> 01:35:24,130
writing articles in the New York Times

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01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:28,630
and in talking all about it yeah like in

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01:35:34,980 --> 01:35:31,450
in Britain was a project conned again

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01:35:38,490 --> 01:35:34,990
which was a secret document that very

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01:35:40,500 --> 01:35:38,500
few people knew about and got released a

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01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:40,510
few years later and that seemed to look

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01:35:46,140 --> 01:35:43,690
out a kind of overview of a subject and

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01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:46,150
whether it would be something that the

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01:35:51,930 --> 01:35:49,810
Ministry of Defence should carry on so

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01:35:55,140 --> 01:35:51,940
collecting evidence for it we kind of

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01:35:57,420 --> 01:35:55,150
used it as a way of wiggling out of a

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01:35:59,640 --> 01:35:57,430
subject in the same way Project Blue

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01:36:02,660 --> 01:35:59,650
Book was a way for them now the United

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01:36:06,770 --> 01:36:02,670
States Air Force Oh wriggle out of

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01:36:10,010 --> 01:36:06,780
investigating UFO cases after that study

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01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:10,020
and I think even somebody like Nick Pope

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01:36:16,620 --> 01:36:13,450
wasn't particularly it wasn't involved

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01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:16,630
with producing that project Conde gun

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01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:19,450
report though he I think he might have

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01:36:23,670 --> 01:36:22,090
been aware of it but because he designed

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01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:23,680
the Official Secrets Act

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01:36:31,740 --> 01:36:27,520
he couldn't he wasn't able to say

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01:36:34,010 --> 01:36:31,750
anything about it until he was made

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01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:34,020
public

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01:36:40,820 --> 01:36:37,280
I think this is a problem where

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01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:40,830
different departments can write reports

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01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:45,450
and make studies without people in very

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01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:49,410
close even close proximity might be

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01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:52,800
aware of or not allowed to speak about I

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01:37:00,440 --> 01:36:56,130
think the know thing about disclosure

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01:37:04,010 --> 01:37:00,450
and presenting stuff to Republic is is

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01:37:05,780 --> 01:37:04,020
only son of a separate area - alien

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01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:05,790
abduction so I'm not some bones

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01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:09,210
ufology really I think what from my

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01:37:14,930 --> 01:37:12,210
point of view I'm the same fight to find

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01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:14,940
things from governments I was like it

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01:37:20,540 --> 01:37:16,890
takes the energy away from people

2058
01:37:23,660 --> 01:37:20,550
actually investigating UFO reports and

2059
01:37:26,810 --> 01:37:23,670
talking to you for witnesses instead you

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01:37:30,010 --> 01:37:26,820
know over time spent send enough for

2061
01:37:33,410 --> 01:37:30,020
Freedom of Information requests and

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01:37:37,670 --> 01:37:33,420
trying to track down evidence wherever

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01:37:41,210 --> 01:37:37,680
it exists or not it so it's really a

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01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:41,220
topic nowadays that when during the u.s.

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01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:44,730
presidential campaigns people are voting

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01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:47,970
for the president but might most likely

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01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:51,330
reveal the full truth about UFOs

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01:37:56,750 --> 01:37:54,690
I suppose Hillary Clinton was they was

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01:38:00,620 --> 01:37:56,760
trying to promote my idea in their

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01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:00,630
campaign but I think the problem is they

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01:38:05,330 --> 01:38:03,330
kind of get swept under the care of it

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01:38:07,970 --> 01:38:05,340
and other things happen when the

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01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:07,980
President does get into power and then

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01:38:15,230 --> 01:38:11,970
either there isn't any UFO evidence

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01:38:18,230 --> 01:38:15,240
hidden away in the votes or um you know

2076
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:18,240
it's it's so secret we're never gonna

2077
01:38:25,340 --> 01:38:22,410
hear about it well then we've got we've

2078
01:38:28,130 --> 01:38:25,350
got guys like no that's fine I think

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01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:28,140
that sums it up pretty well you know we

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01:38:32,210 --> 01:38:29,850
also had people like John Alexander

2081
01:38:34,580 --> 01:38:32,220
saying the same thing as Mellon that

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01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:34,590
your heat looked all around wandered all

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01:38:38,810 --> 01:38:37,050
the halls and tried to find the offices

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01:38:41,930 --> 01:38:38,820
and the places where this was going on

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01:38:44,459 --> 01:38:41,940
and found nothing and yet we know now

2086
01:38:49,770 --> 01:38:44,469
that there was a program

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01:38:52,770 --> 01:38:49,780
it's indisputable so it's kinda

2088
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:52,780
ridiculous because you know United

2089
01:38:57,630 --> 01:38:54,489
States Air Force of a British government

2090
01:39:00,150 --> 01:38:57,640
if you if you wrote to the RAF for

2091
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:00,160
whatever is we all say we don't

2092
01:39:05,459 --> 01:39:02,770
investigate these things but I think if

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01:39:07,740 --> 01:39:05,469
something significant happened would be

2094
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:07,750
forced to investigate it and I'm sure we

2095
01:39:13,250 --> 01:39:10,690
must if as say people were saying like

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01:39:15,660 --> 01:39:13,260
summer sky in a certain area and

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01:39:19,020 --> 01:39:15,670
military authorities were involved we

2098
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:19,030
would eventually after would be files

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01:39:28,860 --> 01:39:27,000
were so many sightings of odd things in

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01:39:32,370 --> 01:39:28,870
the sky but people fought with German

2101
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,380
aircraft or whatever but reports were

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01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:34,480
collected by the local police and then

2103
01:39:40,140 --> 01:39:38,050
sent to an mi5 in London so we had a no

2104
01:39:42,300 --> 01:39:40,150
Department looking at all these sighting

2105
01:39:45,930 --> 01:39:42,310
reports and he could say it was the

2106
01:39:52,110 --> 01:39:45,940
first saw of x-files department that was

2107
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:52,120
back in 1915 so you know governments you

2108
01:39:56,729 --> 01:39:53,770
know we tend to say yeah we only look

2109
01:39:59,670 --> 01:39:56,739
into these subjects if there's any self

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01:40:02,220 --> 01:39:59,680
defence fret but I think you know I

2111
01:40:05,070 --> 01:40:02,230
think we've got keep you know if there's

2112
01:40:08,220 --> 01:40:05,080
a big public interest in the subject or

2113
01:40:12,260 --> 01:40:08,230
analysis of wave of sightings like

2114
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,270
Washington in 1952 the kind of you know

2115
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:15,520
you've got to do something about it so I

2116
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:18,010
think the I think for them just to sort

2117
01:40:23,100 --> 01:40:19,810
of try and sweep it under the carpet

2118
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:23,110
it's as it's something you know it's

2119
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:25,570
impossible for them to do really it's

2120
01:40:31,260 --> 01:40:28,810
not reasonable yeah it's not reasonable

2121
01:40:33,180 --> 01:40:31,270
for us to think that they didn't do or

2122
01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:33,190
wouldn't do anything we know that they

2123
01:40:40,500 --> 01:40:35,260
scrambled jets after the ones in the 52

2124
01:40:43,260 --> 01:40:40,510
incident several times I find this idea

2125
01:40:46,380 --> 01:40:43,270
of UFOs during the first world war to be

2126
01:40:48,930 --> 01:40:46,390
really quite interesting and can you

2127
01:40:51,140 --> 01:40:48,940
tell us a couple of cases from back then

2128
01:40:55,140 --> 01:40:51,150
have you got any Andy that you can share

2129
01:40:58,049 --> 01:40:55,150
when was a particularly good one and who

2130
01:41:01,409 --> 01:40:58,059
is a soft thin rate and one

2131
01:41:04,379 --> 01:41:01,419
aircraft was sent up to look at a light

2132
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:04,389
in the sky and when he kind of I think

2133
01:41:10,919 --> 01:41:06,249
he lost track of him and somebody else

2134
01:41:13,859 --> 01:41:10,929
also saw it he kind of described it as

2135
01:41:15,719 --> 01:41:13,869
like a railway carried with lights in

2136
01:41:19,939 --> 01:41:15,729
the window and he actually took a

2137
01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:19,949
potshot at it with his revolver and

2138
01:41:26,059 --> 01:41:23,199
nobody pinned down you know what what

2139
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:26,069
that was because I don't think he was

2140
01:41:30,989 --> 01:41:28,449
explained as a Zeppelin because it

2141
01:41:33,239 --> 01:41:30,999
wasn't part of a group of Zeppelin's

2142
01:41:35,219 --> 01:41:33,249
that had been attack in that particular

2143
01:41:39,649 --> 01:41:35,229
night and that's a particularly

2144
01:41:42,569 --> 01:41:39,659
interesting one because the echos the

2145
01:41:45,469 --> 01:41:42,579
image on the cover of my book which had

2146
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:45,479
got the Red Baron shooting a UFO down

2147
01:41:52,139 --> 01:41:47,530
you know that was a kind of made-up

2148
01:41:53,790 --> 01:41:52,149
story River weekly world news and you

2149
01:41:57,589 --> 01:41:53,800
know notorious for making up such

2150
01:42:00,239 --> 01:41:57,599
stories but I think just the image of

2151
01:42:03,299 --> 01:42:00,249
myself first World War II aircraft

2152
01:42:06,389 --> 01:42:03,309
shooting at a flying saucer is quite a

2153
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:06,399
strong one and you know in that story

2154
01:42:12,809 --> 01:42:08,800
the Red Baron was said to a shot down

2155
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:12,819
with UFO and then to aliens it got out

2156
01:42:19,969 --> 01:42:15,510
of it and ran into the woods but

2157
01:42:24,179 --> 01:42:19,979
fortunately as I thought made obviously

2158
01:42:25,259 --> 01:42:24,189
a bit sad if and you've got this really

2159
01:42:27,859 --> 01:42:25,269
great

2160
01:42:30,059 --> 01:42:27,869
spaceship you've traveled you know

2161
01:42:32,549 --> 01:42:30,069
hundreds of light years and he finally

2162
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:32,559
turned out to be shot down by some old

2163
01:42:39,989 --> 01:42:34,449
rickety aircraft

2164
01:42:41,489 --> 01:42:39,999
it's a sad end but with a British case

2165
01:42:44,219 --> 01:42:41,499
it was a bit like that

2166
01:42:50,219 --> 01:42:44,229
you know this pilot took a potshot of

2167
01:42:52,739 --> 01:42:50,229
something he saw in the sky and so you

2168
01:42:54,989 --> 01:42:52,749
know and that was kind of all reported

2169
01:42:58,079 --> 01:42:54,999
in government documents and I live near

2170
01:43:00,809 --> 01:42:58,089
to Dartmoor and there again lights were

2171
01:43:03,779 --> 01:43:00,819
seen over the Mars and people fought

2172
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:03,789
German spies were signal into Zeppelin's

2173
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:09,010
to zero in on on Plymouth or any other

2174
01:43:14,420 --> 01:43:10,800
military targets in the air

2175
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,430
so I think there's always been a kind of

2176
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:17,040
military interest in these things and

2177
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:20,010
obviously in America have been lots of

2178
01:43:27,890 --> 01:43:24,210
sightings in military sensitive areas

2179
01:43:30,050 --> 01:43:27,900
you know Roswell itself and white sands

2180
01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:30,060
proving grounds and places like that

2181
01:43:36,350 --> 01:43:33,510
being rife with like UFO sightings and

2182
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:36,360
rumors so yeah after think government

2183
01:43:43,610 --> 01:43:39,090
hasn't gotten interest it's a you know

2184
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:43,620
it's quite I think thinking them Calvin

2185
01:43:48,650 --> 01:43:46,050
Parker's book he meant there's a few

2186
01:43:50,900 --> 01:43:48,660
letters denying these documents exist

2187
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:50,910
and then suddenly regards these

2188
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:52,530
documents I think it was written

2189
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:54,930
transcripts or something at the Air

2190
01:43:59,720 --> 01:43:56,730
Force Base that happened a few days

2191
01:44:02,660 --> 01:43:59,730
after her abduction nothing cut first

2192
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:02,670
the authorities denied that would add

2193
01:44:08,570 --> 01:44:06,210
any more than verbal communications and

2194
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:08,580
then I think the documents did turn up

2195
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:13,770
so sometimes I think you know where a

2196
01:44:19,190 --> 01:44:16,320
cover-up syverud deliberately to hide

2197
01:44:21,470 --> 01:44:19,200
say government secrets or activities are

2198
01:44:24,290 --> 01:44:21,480
not to scare the public about things

2199
01:44:27,530 --> 01:44:24,300
that might be going on or it might be

2200
01:44:29,690 --> 01:44:27,540
just like people aren't aware but you

2201
01:44:32,420 --> 01:44:29,700
know these things have happened so we

2202
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can somebody like Nick Pope could easily

2203
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say when he was on the mo D desk no we

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have no knowledge of this but that might

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be because his department doesn't have

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that knowledge thinking this way with

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Nick Pope though if he has signed a

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security agreement non-disclosure in a

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sense he could tell you Fein had that

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to say it we've got Nigel Watson we've

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continue with Nigel Watson we're having

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a really fascinating session here I'm

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war there huh for those who aren't as

2278
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:00,170
familiar with aviation as as we might be

2279
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:04,530
when you were saying that the pilot took

2280
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:06,770
a potshot at the UFO with his revolver

2281
01:48:12,500 --> 01:48:09,450
we have to remember that in those days

2282
01:48:16,490 --> 01:48:12,510
we're talking about aircraft with open

2283
01:48:19,100 --> 01:48:16,500
cockpits and they didn't even carry guns

2284
01:48:21,950 --> 01:48:19,110
with them for quite a few years in the

2285
01:48:23,660 --> 01:48:21,960
onset of aviation it was only finally

2286
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:23,670
somebody who's ordered to take up a

2287
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:25,650
pistol and then they would literally fly

2288
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:28,410
by each other and and take shots at each

2289
01:48:34,010 --> 01:48:31,920
other with revolvers so it's actually

2290
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:34,020
it's kind of humorous to think about in

2291
01:48:39,740 --> 01:48:38,010
a way if it did fit machine guns

2292
01:48:45,710 --> 01:48:39,750
eventually but I think they could be

2293
01:48:48,260 --> 01:48:45,720
dangerous to her own she had the first

2294
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:48,270
few shot their own propellers off until

2295
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:50,400
they figured out other time than which

2296
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:53,250
with the NGO speaking about that though

2297
01:48:58,940 --> 01:48:57,210
it reminds me of something I recently I

2298
01:49:01,580 --> 01:48:58,950
mention it in my book and I've also

2299
01:49:04,220 --> 01:49:01,590
written it for fourteen times that there

2300
01:49:07,670 --> 01:49:04,230
was something that the British pilots

2301
01:49:11,630 --> 01:49:07,680
called them flamin onions and very like

2302
01:49:15,470 --> 01:49:11,640
a string of lights that flew into the

2303
01:49:18,140 --> 01:49:15,480
air towards them they they thought these

2304
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:18,150
lights were connected by a chain so that

2305
01:49:22,130 --> 01:49:20,490
if it hit them the chain would wrap

2306
01:49:24,740 --> 01:49:22,140
around their aircraft and make them

2307
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:24,750
crash quite a lot of these pilots

2308
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:27,090
reported seeing them and some even

2309
01:49:33,500 --> 01:49:29,850
described them moving in quite intricate

2310
01:49:36,410 --> 01:49:33,510
flight patterns and everything but

2311
01:49:39,470 --> 01:49:36,420
none of a match they did any damage to

2312
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:39,480
their craft and would just remind me of

2313
01:49:45,709 --> 01:49:42,330
a Foo Fighters of this second world war

2314
01:49:50,330 --> 01:49:45,719
so you know nothing's new even in

2315
01:49:52,750 --> 01:49:50,340
ufology you know these it's the names

2316
01:49:57,229 --> 01:49:52,760
that change really rather than the

2317
01:50:00,050 --> 01:49:57,239
things themselves no and it swims in a

2318
01:50:02,959 --> 01:50:00,060
way is give him the umbrella title of

2319
01:50:05,630 --> 01:50:02,969
flying saucer or a UFO means that you

2320
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:05,640
can actually investigate lots of things

2321
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:09,050
that are strange in the sky and without

2322
01:50:15,890 --> 01:50:13,650
umbrella term or concepts people just

2323
01:50:18,410 --> 01:50:15,900
felt oh that's that's interest you know

2324
01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:18,420
you know that's weird and well that was

2325
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:21,360
it really it didn't really cause that

2326
01:50:28,130 --> 01:50:25,410
much further investigation I think in

2327
01:50:30,650 --> 01:50:28,140
the case of a flaming onions but I think

2328
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:30,660
we did look into it but because it

2329
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:34,410
didn't actually cause any harm to the

2330
01:50:40,430 --> 01:50:37,920
aircraft they kind of just put it you

2331
01:50:43,900 --> 01:50:40,440
know well that's a bit weird we don't

2332
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:43,910
know what it was and there was a few

2333
01:50:49,790 --> 01:50:47,010
anti-aircraft weapons that might have

2334
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:49,800
also caused his felt a thing it might

2335
01:50:54,620 --> 01:50:52,050
have just been a knob because of a rapid

2336
01:50:58,610 --> 01:50:54,630
rate of fire it might have caused the

2337
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,620
optical illusion of these balls of light

2338
01:51:04,459 --> 01:51:00,719
being attached by a chain or something

2339
01:51:07,010 --> 01:51:04,469
so you know so you know I think it's you

2340
01:51:09,140 --> 01:51:07,020
know just looking back into historical

2341
01:51:12,890 --> 01:51:09,150
records something surprising what you

2342
01:51:16,700 --> 01:51:12,900
can turn up author William Bramley he

2343
01:51:20,540 --> 01:51:16,710
wrote a book called gods of Eden and in

2344
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:20,550
that book he he was trying to find sort

2345
01:51:25,130 --> 01:51:22,650
of a common denominator amongst all of

2346
01:51:29,330 --> 01:51:25,140
the strife in the world in and Wars and

2347
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:29,340
so on and surprisingly to him he says it

2348
01:51:36,350 --> 01:51:32,489
led him into the whole UFO topic because

2349
01:51:39,140 --> 01:51:36,360
it goes back as far as history is

2350
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:39,150
recorded I mean there's no tales of

2351
01:51:44,959 --> 01:51:41,610
ancient conquests by Alexander the Great

2352
01:51:47,090 --> 01:51:44,969
described three instances between 329

2353
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:47,100
and 337 BC when

2354
01:51:53,210 --> 01:51:50,010
his army encountered flying and what

2355
01:51:56,570 --> 01:51:53,220
they call them flying silver shields so

2356
01:52:01,550 --> 01:51:56,580
it seems like there there is this

2357
01:52:04,610 --> 01:52:01,560
connection between human war and UFOs no

2358
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:04,620
doubt about it yeah I think was a fear

2359
01:52:13,460 --> 01:52:09,090
of Napoleonic invasions people promise

2360
01:52:15,620 --> 01:52:13,470
or balloons like summer sky which were

2361
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:15,630
attributed to being sort of French

2362
01:52:24,290 --> 01:52:21,210
balloons was of 1890s in in Germany and

2363
01:52:28,250 --> 01:52:24,300
there was Versailles tons of sort of

2364
01:52:31,790 --> 01:52:28,260
strange lights and aircrafts which were

2365
01:52:35,330 --> 01:52:31,800
seen some cheering border tensions in

2366
01:52:40,300 --> 01:52:35,340
Poland so I think were wherever there's

2367
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:40,310
a battle or great tension if if

2368
01:52:45,530 --> 01:52:42,690
something strange has seen its

2369
01:52:48,890 --> 01:52:45,540
interpreted in terms of you know Vienna

2370
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:48,900
and enemy secret weapons you know just

2371
01:52:55,820 --> 01:52:52,050
as Foo Fighters were thought of as

2372
01:52:58,160 --> 01:52:55,830
German weapons for obviously you know

2373
01:53:00,290 --> 01:52:58,170
what that was something with which is

2374
01:53:02,630 --> 01:53:00,300
something we haven't really pinned down

2375
01:53:05,630 --> 01:53:02,640
to anything ever again ball lightning

2376
01:53:08,620 --> 01:53:05,640
has been another explanation for some of

2377
01:53:13,370 --> 01:53:08,630
them but there are some quite intriguing

2378
01:53:15,620 --> 01:53:13,380
reports where of yourself we've seen to

2379
01:53:20,810 --> 01:53:15,630
be like intelligently comport and

2380
01:53:24,050 --> 01:53:20,820
controlled balls of light they're very

2381
01:53:26,270 --> 01:53:24,060
the other intelligent controlled balls

2382
01:53:28,900 --> 01:53:26,280
of light are glowing orbs those were of

2383
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:28,910
the type that were seen during the 52

2384
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:31,920
case we were talking about earlier and

2385
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,650
in one instance those actually

2386
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:36,960
surrounded one of the Jets that had been

2387
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:40,170
sent to intercept them and the pilot saw

2388
01:53:44,450 --> 01:53:42,810
those lights at the same time as they

2389
01:53:47,870 --> 01:53:44,460
were being tracked on two separate

2390
01:53:50,060 --> 01:53:47,880
radars so there's pretty much no doubt

2391
01:53:53,330 --> 01:53:50,070
there that there was some objective

2392
01:53:55,130 --> 01:53:53,340
reality to it and then the pilot didn't

2393
01:53:58,359 --> 01:53:55,140
know what to do at that point and asked

2394
01:54:01,679 --> 01:53:58,369
for permission to fire on them or

2395
01:54:06,729 --> 01:54:01,689
these clarification is what to do and

2396
01:54:09,279 --> 01:54:06,739
then the lights just zoomed off almost

2397
01:54:12,459 --> 01:54:09,289
instantly away and out of out of range

2398
01:54:13,839 --> 01:54:12,469
and were gone so it's pretty tough to

2399
01:54:15,819 --> 01:54:13,849
think that there was any sort of

2400
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:15,829
hallucinating going on or that they were

2401
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:19,489
just sadly random natural objects

2402
01:54:26,159 --> 01:54:23,090
floating around yeah because things like

2403
01:54:29,739 --> 01:54:26,169
ball lightning can be you know

2404
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:29,749
yeah lethal to human beings in some

2405
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:33,050
cases yeah other cases of there's even

2406
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:36,320
been a good story of one entran and

2407
01:54:42,759 --> 01:54:41,119
aircraft it going into an aircraft and

2408
01:54:45,219 --> 01:54:42,769
going down the aisle of a passenger

2409
01:54:47,979 --> 01:54:45,229
aircraft and flying out again without

2410
01:54:50,679 --> 01:54:47,989
causing any harm and there you know is

2411
01:54:53,409 --> 01:54:50,689
going through solid matter just like an

2412
01:54:58,719 --> 01:54:53,419
abductee does in one of these you know

2413
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put Hopkins's reports so you know ball

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lightning is breaking the rules of

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science and the end when you think about

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01:55:09,790 --> 01:55:05,449
it perhaps there could be even more

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exotic forms of you know energy or

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01:55:16,389 --> 01:55:13,879
something that can occur on rare

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01:55:19,509 --> 01:55:16,399
occasions and causes sort of phenomenon

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and also perhaps you know I've been

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01:55:23,229 --> 01:55:21,320
reading something away of somebody even

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01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:23,239
speculates that ball lightning itself

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01:55:29,439 --> 01:55:26,239
rather than just being a physical thing

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01:55:31,569 --> 01:55:29,449
could be a some sort of living entity

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01:55:35,649 --> 01:55:31,579
that might just exist for a fraction of

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01:55:38,409 --> 01:55:35,659
time and you know that relates and whims

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throws I think it's Trevor constable I

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believe that UFOs were living entities

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that lived in the atmosphere and Ray

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they live on the sky that was one of

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Trevor James constables books yeah yeah

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they took these infrared pictures of

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them moving in the sky so perhaps you

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01:56:04,719 --> 01:56:01,189
know practice is fears haven't been sort

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of followed as much as VT fears or

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anything but you know there could be

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more into it than if

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Inc and you know I suppose the reserved

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new areas really that you could study in

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terms of UFO data really and to see

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where it takes you

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01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:28,409
but I think the thing with bold light

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and in itself is quite a stream

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phenomena might be why people are

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reported women you know that's being

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ghostly like things I've been seen in

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cemeteries and you know regarded as

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being something connected to the

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supernatural as well as like we

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01:56:52,910 --> 01:56:50,250
attributed it to UFO activity or

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something we're going to attribute lots

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and lots of things as we progress and as

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we see what kind of echo effect J

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Randall Murphy can produce for us I'm

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like the creature or actually the

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character who try to play a creature in

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the movie The Princess Bride ok you had

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to have seen The Princess Bride to have

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any inkling of what I'm talking about

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02:02:04,709 --> 02:02:01,260
but there's a scene shot to Nick Cave oh

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02:02:06,180 --> 02:02:04,719
well there we go yeah we have so many

2578
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things to talk about and we're kind of

2579
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focusing on a narrower area but I wide a

2580
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:12,370
drop a couple of things that came to us

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02:02:16,590 --> 02:02:14,010
maybe we can count go catch-as-catch-can

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here for the remaining three segments or

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so the unexplained rapid reads ebooks

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that you wrote oh yeah okay I asked you

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02:02:28,950 --> 02:02:25,540
a couple of these things okay and we can

2586
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:28,960
talk about it early on in the history of

2587
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:31,810
the power cast like 2006 I can't

2588
02:02:37,790 --> 02:02:35,050
remember 2006 we talked about

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spontaneous human combustion

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02:02:51,630 --> 02:02:42,430
you wrote a small ebook about it what

2591
02:02:56,970 --> 02:02:51,640
can we say it's an intense fire of

2592
02:02:59,610 --> 02:02:56,980
action consumes can consume virtually

2593
02:03:03,450 --> 02:02:59,620
the whole of a human body but leave very

2594
02:03:05,959 --> 02:03:03,460
few traces of intense fire near the body

2595
02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:05,969
so somebody can be self burnt to death

2596
02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:09,250
but whichever sitting on is still in one

2597
02:03:15,300 --> 02:03:11,650
piece and you'd think we're searching

2598
02:03:19,380 --> 02:03:15,310
tense fire 30m away our house would burn

2599
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:19,390
down around them and these reports go

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02:03:24,620 --> 02:03:21,610
back quite a few years as well so

2601
02:03:28,439 --> 02:03:24,630
they're not just a modern phenomenon and

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02:03:31,110 --> 02:03:28,449
you know sometimes people are fully

2603
02:03:35,070 --> 02:03:31,120
burnt but perhaps just their legs left

2604
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:35,080
behind that wasn't burnt up and there

2605
02:03:39,330 --> 02:03:37,210
quite a few theories around this and

2606
02:03:42,209 --> 02:03:39,340
often would think the majority of the

2607
02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:42,219
cases seem to occur indoors but I think

2608
02:03:46,229 --> 02:03:44,290
there was a case recently in Germany

2609
02:03:49,709 --> 02:03:46,239
where it seemed to happen to somebody on

2610
02:03:54,180 --> 02:03:49,719
a park bench but normally we seem to be

2611
02:03:57,660 --> 02:03:54,190
indoors usually though if they occur to

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02:04:00,240 --> 02:03:57,670
people who live on their own and some

2613
02:04:02,399 --> 02:04:00,250
people have said that they a high

2614
02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:02,409
proportion of a victims have being

2615
02:04:10,740 --> 02:04:08,650
alcoholics so you know oh yeah perhaps

2616
02:04:12,750 --> 02:04:10,750
their bodies bit more liable to Bernie

2617
02:04:17,130 --> 02:04:12,760
forgetting the other half or something

2618
02:04:19,470 --> 02:04:17,140
but even so I think a lot of cases are

2619
02:04:23,370 --> 02:04:19,480
really difficult to explain you note

2620
02:04:27,560 --> 02:04:23,380
whether intensity of heat there have

2621
02:04:30,660 --> 02:04:27,570
been a few theories like that perhaps

2622
02:04:32,790 --> 02:04:30,670
people slowly you know like if you'd

2623
02:04:34,919 --> 02:04:32,800
leave a cigarette end or something and

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02:04:38,970 --> 02:04:34,929
though what might it might drop on my

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02:04:41,300 --> 02:04:38,980
clothing and then the fire might burn

2626
02:04:44,280 --> 02:04:41,310
for quite a while intially it

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02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:44,290
intensifies to such a degree that it

2628
02:04:53,610 --> 02:04:50,890
will destroy a human body but just seems

2629
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:53,620
like a lot of these you know and also

2630
02:04:58,200 --> 02:04:55,690
the victim might be because they drink

2631
02:05:00,090 --> 02:04:58,210
heavily would be in such a sort of

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02:05:03,209 --> 02:05:00,100
drunken state a mother might not

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02:05:08,850 --> 02:05:03,219
initially notice this basically this is

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02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:08,860
a tragic accident mmm well because with

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02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:11,920
such intensity of flame and also the

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02:05:18,209 --> 02:05:14,400
fact that the victims never seem to move

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02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:18,219
move it seemed to imply marva it happens

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02:05:24,930 --> 02:05:21,250
quite suddenly rather than it being a

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02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:24,940
slow process approach you know where

2640
02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:25,850
again it might

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02:05:29,470 --> 02:05:27,770
something down to something like bow

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02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:29,480
lightning which I seem to be obsessed

2643
02:05:34,630 --> 02:05:32,960
with tonight but you know them that

2644
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:34,640
could be something that perhaps might

2645
02:05:40,210 --> 02:05:36,320
trigger something like that because it's

2646
02:05:42,340 --> 02:05:40,220
very intense electricity or plasma but I

2647
02:05:44,590 --> 02:05:42,350
think people have tried to explain it

2648
02:05:47,770 --> 02:05:44,600
I've done a few different experiments

2649
02:05:49,780 --> 02:05:47,780
we've trying to burn the corpses of pigs

2650
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:49,790
and things like that to see if it can

2651
02:05:57,940 --> 02:05:53,450
reproduce these effects but yeah I think

2652
02:06:01,920 --> 02:05:57,950
some have been genuine precedent some of

2653
02:06:04,780 --> 02:06:01,930
you know perhaps a newspaper reporters

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02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:04,790
exaggerated the fact some of the facts

2655
02:06:09,430 --> 02:06:07,250
and things and make it so it make that

2656
02:06:12,100 --> 02:06:09,440
makes it sound more mysterious you know

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02:06:14,860 --> 02:06:12,110
I'm somebody's that suddenly burnt to

2658
02:06:18,010 --> 02:06:14,870
death or something when really I'm you

2659
02:06:21,100 --> 02:06:18,020
know as more you know if I were nearer

2660
02:06:23,620 --> 02:06:21,110
electric fire or something but even so

2661
02:06:27,010 --> 02:06:23,630
there's still of this handful of cases

2662
02:06:31,120 --> 02:06:27,020
that just seems to indicate you know

2663
02:06:34,120 --> 02:06:31,130
what explained what what's going on so

2664
02:06:36,610 --> 02:06:34,130
with this phenomena here this could be

2665
02:06:38,740 --> 02:06:36,620
kind of related you contributed a

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chapter to Timothy green Beckley's book

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02:06:44,830 --> 02:06:41,750
UFO hostilities and the evil hand ax

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02:06:46,510 --> 02:06:44,840
which is UFOs have been associated with

2669
02:06:50,110 --> 02:06:46,520
a number of deaths including Hollywood

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02:06:58,140 --> 02:06:50,120
stars so can you tell us a bit about

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02:07:02,500 --> 02:06:58,150
that somebody who I think it's Caroline

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02:07:05,410 --> 02:07:02,510
Lombard is a film actress who is in an

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02:07:09,190 --> 02:07:05,420
aircraft crashed and I think a UFO

2674
02:07:12,280 --> 02:07:09,200
alights was seen in the vicinity so what

2675
02:07:16,390 --> 02:07:12,290
kind of a were attributed to props

2676
02:07:22,060 --> 02:07:16,400
causing the aircraft to crash and you

2677
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:22,070
know I think however true the cited for

2678
02:07:28,090 --> 02:07:24,530
anything I think it's a good possibility

2679
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:28,100
but whether you know was spaceships or

2680
02:07:33,510 --> 02:07:30,770
ball lightning or whatever I wouldn't be

2681
02:07:37,330 --> 02:07:33,520
surprised as things like I've caused

2682
02:07:38,970 --> 02:07:37,340
quite a few where aviation accidents and

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02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:38,980
probably

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02:07:44,010 --> 02:07:41,050
highway accidents where people have

2685
02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:44,020
probably been you know looking out

2686
02:07:50,760 --> 02:07:47,650
strange light in the sky and you know

2687
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:50,770
crashed and killed themselves it's not

2688
02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:53,440
the sort of thing if that happened so

2689
02:07:57,570 --> 02:07:55,450
you might not you know never know why

2690
02:08:01,800 --> 02:07:57,580
the crash but you know that's something

2691
02:08:03,870 --> 02:08:01,810
that could easily happen because many

2692
02:08:06,300 --> 02:08:03,880
years ago I was on holiday and

2693
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:06,310
warminster we saw a light over the

2694
02:08:13,350 --> 02:08:10,810
fields which turned out to be a vert

2695
02:08:15,479 --> 02:08:13,360
Eisen blimp but we didn't know that at

2696
02:08:18,330 --> 02:08:15,489
the time of the character I would just

2697
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:18,340
stop a car on a bend we all got out to

2698
02:08:22,650 --> 02:08:20,170
have a look but we could have easy of

2699
02:08:24,210 --> 02:08:22,660
yeah quite a few cars stopped behind us

2700
02:08:26,220 --> 02:08:24,220
but we could have you know a traffic jam

2701
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:26,230
in the middle of the night on a small

2702
02:08:30,510 --> 02:08:28,330
country road you know coulda caught the

2703
02:08:35,610 --> 02:08:30,520
I could have had tragic consequences so

2704
02:08:38,790 --> 02:08:35,620
I think you know you froze by default

2705
02:08:43,410 --> 02:08:38,800
can cause could you know could cause

2706
02:08:46,740 --> 02:08:43,420
them bad accidents and things of course

2707
02:08:51,150 --> 02:08:46,750
have been cases of people being sucked

2708
02:08:56,479 --> 02:08:51,160
by UFO beams which seems to occur more

2709
02:09:00,930 --> 02:08:56,489
in South America really you know I think

2710
02:09:03,360 --> 02:09:00,940
often of a case that's for most distance

2711
02:09:07,740 --> 02:09:03,370
of about some more convincing because

2712
02:09:12,300 --> 02:09:07,750
you know less about it and that you know

2713
02:09:14,580 --> 02:09:12,310
is quite um interesting very a review

2714
02:09:17,130 --> 02:09:14,590
for a whole hostility because it links

2715
02:09:20,690 --> 02:09:17,140
with you know you first seen near

2716
02:09:25,080 --> 02:09:20,700
military bases as well you know so when

2717
02:09:28,350 --> 02:09:25,090
you know I think it's one of those areas

2718
02:09:32,100 --> 02:09:28,360
where um you know you hear segue into

2719
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:32,110
things like cattle mutilation cases and

2720
02:09:37,770 --> 02:09:34,320
I think in you for hospital II

2721
02:09:40,500 --> 02:09:37,780
hostilities as a chapter on now possible

2722
02:09:44,130 --> 02:09:40,510
human mutilations as well and deaf by

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02:09:46,380 --> 02:09:44,140
UFO let's stay here because last week we

2724
02:09:48,690 --> 02:09:46,390
did talk about cattle mutilations and

2725
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:48,700
maybe we can get your slant on that we

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have Nigel Watson we have Jean Steinberg

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we have Jay Randall Murph

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and his echo machine machine machine

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authorities are charging the man who

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allegedly drove his car into a crowd

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outside Parliament last Tuesday with

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attempted murder the 29 year old British

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bicyclists pedestrians and police

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police say the case is being treated as

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a terrorist attack however the man has

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not been charged with any specific

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protesters shouted down Republican House

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playing that tree remember no matter how

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large or small you're digging project

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maybe no matter how urban or rural

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you must always call 8 1 1 before any

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02:13:43,990 --> 02:13:41,870
digging project 8 1 1 is our national

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one call number alerting your local

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utility companies to come out and mark

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02:13:50,710 --> 02:13:47,960
any lines they have near your dig site

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02:13:53,140 --> 02:13:50,720
you must call 8 1 1 at least 2 to 3

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business days before any digging project

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so you can avoid hitting our essential

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buried utilities this includes natural

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gas and petroleum pipelines electric

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communication cables and water and sewer

2827
02:14:12,910 --> 02:14:09,740
lines so before you do this or this make

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02:14:15,550 --> 02:14:12,920
sure you do this for digging projects

2829
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big or small make the call to 8 1 1

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2831
02:14:30,510 --> 02:14:28,530
hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

2832
02:14:32,430 --> 02:14:30,520
of dark skies the co-author of AD after

2833
02:14:34,580 --> 02:14:32,440
disclosure and you are listening to the

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02:14:36,270 --> 02:14:34,590
para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio

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02:14:46,010 --> 02:14:43,400
[Music]

2837
02:14:48,200 --> 02:14:46,020
he's trying to fool us there goof on us

2838
02:14:49,580 --> 02:14:48,210
there was no echo there is nothing wrong

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02:14:52,550 --> 02:14:49,590
with your television set we are

2840
02:14:54,410 --> 02:14:52,560
controlling transmission Randall you

2841
02:14:57,320 --> 02:14:54,420
recall last week we've had a type of

2842
02:14:59,990 --> 02:14:57,330
fiery discussion in the forums right

2843
02:15:03,770 --> 02:15:00,000
after we had the interview last week

2844
02:15:05,750 --> 02:15:03,780
with Richard bond and font and a friend

2845
02:15:08,330 --> 02:15:05,760
of his Frank cling was posting on our

2846
02:15:11,990 --> 02:15:08,340
forums and Chris O'Brien showed up and

2847
02:15:13,820 --> 02:15:12,000
there was a sharp debate so Nigel Watson

2848
02:15:17,230 --> 02:15:13,830
let's just put you in the thick of it

2849
02:15:19,480 --> 02:15:17,240
here what's your take on cattle

2850
02:15:24,230 --> 02:15:19,490
mutilations

2851
02:15:27,350 --> 02:15:24,240
I've never investigated any case where

2852
02:15:31,220 --> 02:15:27,360
again I always associated them with in

2853
02:15:35,140 --> 02:15:31,230
United States and with these mystery

2854
02:15:38,020 --> 02:15:35,150
black helicopters and I think one

2855
02:15:41,230 --> 02:15:38,030
explanation was that were to cover up

2856
02:15:44,270 --> 02:15:41,240
experiments or you know like fracking or

2857
02:15:47,870 --> 02:15:44,280
our government activities wherever words

2858
02:15:50,540 --> 02:15:47,880
like testing cattle for radiation and

2859
02:15:53,570 --> 02:15:50,550
that sort of thing but it just seems

2860
02:15:55,880 --> 02:15:53,580
like a rather stupid thing to do because

2861
02:15:58,130 --> 02:15:55,890
if it was sort of government testing

2862
02:16:01,850 --> 02:15:58,140
thing wouldn't it be just easier to say

2863
02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:01,860
of a cow on to the back of a truck and

2864
02:16:08,300 --> 02:16:04,290
drive off with it you know you might get

2865
02:16:11,630 --> 02:16:08,310
just just stories of disappearances then

2866
02:16:14,840 --> 02:16:11,640
but to have these sinister surgical

2867
02:16:18,430 --> 02:16:14,850
light incisions and removal of genitals

2868
02:16:21,410 --> 02:16:18,440
on things seems like you know why Duva

2869
02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:21,420
which brings us to another explanation

2870
02:16:28,750 --> 02:16:25,530
that from satanic cult so that's odd

2871
02:16:32,629 --> 02:16:28,760
finger saw practicing their dubious

2872
02:16:36,050 --> 02:16:32,639
activities on these poor animals also

2873
02:16:38,720 --> 02:16:36,060
it's not just cattle mutilation so some

2874
02:16:42,440 --> 02:16:38,730
other animals have seem to be mutilated

2875
02:16:45,980 --> 02:16:42,450
I think up in Yorkshire a few years ago

2876
02:16:48,770 --> 02:16:45,990
was a ufologist have collected stories

2877
02:16:51,379 --> 02:16:48,780
of UFO sightings and healing from was

2878
02:16:55,790 --> 02:16:51,389
like mutilations and death of

2879
02:16:59,809 --> 02:16:55,800
rabbits and pets in England we've also

2880
02:17:04,219 --> 02:16:59,819
Adam in the early seventies there's a

2881
02:17:07,479 --> 02:17:04,229
wave of phantom helicopter sightings but

2882
02:17:10,129 --> 02:17:07,489
I don't think any sub mutilations were

2883
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:10,139
associated with that but probably

2884
02:17:16,609 --> 02:17:12,569
because nobody looked for the link

2885
02:17:19,790 --> 02:17:16,619
really so you know I think vo mutilation

2886
02:17:23,719 --> 02:17:19,800
thing is a another area review follow G

2887
02:17:25,809 --> 02:17:23,729
was almost compartmentalize and is there

2888
02:17:29,089 --> 02:17:25,819
somewhere no very rough study in itself

2889
02:17:30,830 --> 02:17:29,099
well they knew that I'm not with these

2890
02:17:33,589 --> 02:17:30,840
cattle mutilations some of them you've

2891
02:17:35,059 --> 02:17:33,599
got these burn marks and you know I'm

2892
02:17:36,799 --> 02:17:35,069
tempted to say the cow went into a

2893
02:17:40,429 --> 02:17:36,809
hypnagogic state and was hit by ball

2894
02:17:47,269 --> 02:17:40,439
lightning but with just well just skip

2895
02:17:50,589 --> 02:17:47,279
that and say okay we've had cases I

2896
02:17:54,199 --> 02:17:50,599
think of ponies being tortured or

2897
02:17:58,389 --> 02:17:54,209
mutilated and bit most being attributed

2898
02:18:00,769 --> 02:17:58,399
to Satanists and that sort of thing so

2899
02:18:03,409 --> 02:18:00,779
you know it's something that seems to

2900
02:18:06,369 --> 02:18:03,419
crop up in other parts of a world as

2901
02:18:09,259 --> 02:18:06,379
well but let's say it let's suppose that

2902
02:18:11,179 --> 02:18:09,269
aliens do have some sort of involvement

2903
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:11,189
with these well then we do have these

2904
02:18:16,669 --> 02:18:13,889
incidents with cattle that have have

2905
02:18:19,879 --> 02:18:16,679
shown these burn marks and then we've

2906
02:18:22,580 --> 02:18:19,889
got these spontaneous human combustion

2907
02:18:25,669 --> 02:18:22,590
things where you know conceivably some

2908
02:18:27,709 --> 02:18:25,679
kind of technology that burns things

2909
02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:27,719
from the inside out it's sort of maybe I

2910
02:18:32,899 --> 02:18:29,760
don't know along the lines of microwaves

2911
02:18:35,269 --> 02:18:32,909
or something I mean when we see these

2912
02:18:37,219 --> 02:18:35,279
effects and say you know the science

2913
02:18:39,169 --> 02:18:37,229
fiction movie someone's gets zapped by a

2914
02:18:41,479 --> 02:18:39,179
ray gun and they just sort of

2915
02:18:42,859 --> 02:18:41,489
disintegrate and leaving the hole

2916
02:18:45,709 --> 02:18:42,869
leaving everything else pretty much

2917
02:18:48,379 --> 02:18:45,719
intact I know it's out there this again

2918
02:18:51,319 --> 02:18:48,389
is fringe ufology but some of it is

2919
02:18:53,179 --> 02:18:51,329
pretty weird you have to admit well it's

2920
02:18:55,669 --> 02:18:53,189
just made me think about the fact that

2921
02:18:58,809 --> 02:18:55,679
we call it spontaneous human combustion

2922
02:19:01,069 --> 02:18:58,819
but those are being any cases of animal

2923
02:19:04,459 --> 02:19:01,079
spontaneous combustion you know where

2924
02:19:05,130 --> 02:19:04,469
animal corpses have been found with just

2925
02:19:06,810 --> 02:19:05,140
a

2926
02:19:10,291 --> 02:19:06,820
of them I suppose people would just

2927
02:19:12,690 --> 02:19:10,301
presume the being burnt in a campfire or

2928
02:19:15,451 --> 02:19:12,700
something like that but just make you

2929
02:19:21,781 --> 02:19:15,461
wonder really if there's no new area of

2930
02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:21,791
study to explore really really I was

2931
02:19:26,190 --> 02:19:23,770
sort of joking about the ball lightning

2932
02:19:27,900 --> 02:19:26,200
thing with with cattle but it was just

2933
02:19:29,850 --> 02:19:27,910
the other day after the guests that we

2934
02:19:33,270 --> 02:19:29,860
had on we were talking about cattle

2935
02:19:34,741 --> 02:19:33,280
mutilations I ran across a picture of a

2936
02:19:36,840 --> 02:19:34,751
cow that had actually been hit by

2937
02:19:38,850 --> 02:19:36,850
lightning it was all burnt it was still

2938
02:19:41,701 --> 02:19:38,860
alive and it had these really bizarre

2939
02:19:43,531 --> 02:19:41,711
looking burn marks on them in a kind of

2940
02:19:46,470 --> 02:19:43,541
like a lightning yeah it was it was

2941
02:19:49,921 --> 02:19:46,480
really quite you know poor cow right so

2942
02:19:51,451 --> 02:19:49,931
it does happen I think also think

2943
02:19:55,081 --> 02:19:51,461
lightning has been used as an

2944
02:19:56,491 --> 02:19:55,091
explanation for a room London marks and

2945
02:19:58,921 --> 02:19:56,501
things like that where people have seen

2946
02:20:01,560 --> 02:19:58,931
something in this game and perhaps have

2947
02:20:03,571 --> 02:20:01,570
found what the fault was scorched ground

2948
02:20:06,390 --> 02:20:03,581
where are you fo I think might have

2949
02:20:09,631 --> 02:20:06,400
landed and some of them might have been

2950
02:20:11,551 --> 02:20:09,641
caused by lightning strikes and I think

2951
02:20:14,761 --> 02:20:11,561
that's a thing with you fools if it's a

2952
02:20:17,850 --> 02:20:14,771
light in the sky can be associated with

2953
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:17,860
other things I you know there's been

2954
02:20:24,421 --> 02:20:21,280
animals being mutilated or by you know

2955
02:20:27,211 --> 02:20:24,431
or different other factors and I suppose

2956
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:27,221
if you've got a ufologist ferry or link

2957
02:20:33,150 --> 02:20:29,530
anything with anything if you hit give

2958
02:20:35,581 --> 02:20:33,160
you an hour for chance it's a bit scary

2959
02:20:37,531 --> 02:20:35,591
in itself but yeah so it's in a way

2960
02:20:39,661 --> 02:20:37,541
because I look at things from a UFO

2961
02:20:44,220 --> 02:20:39,671
perspective and you link it with you

2962
02:20:47,310 --> 02:20:44,230
foes where's I suppose it's a particular

2963
02:20:51,511 --> 02:20:47,320
way of looking at anything weird going

2964
02:20:53,001 --> 02:20:51,521
on well maybe we can sort of skip to

2965
02:20:56,220 --> 02:20:53,011
something a little bit different now

2966
02:20:59,640 --> 02:20:56,230
bringing into your knowledge as a

2967
02:21:01,230 --> 02:20:59,650
psychologist now in one of your articles

2968
02:21:03,571 --> 02:21:01,240
you outlined some of the factors we'd

2969
02:21:07,020 --> 02:21:03,581
have to contend with if there were an

2970
02:21:09,001 --> 02:21:07,030
actual alien invasion and when one of

2971
02:21:11,461 --> 02:21:09,011
them we have the theoretical physicist

2972
02:21:13,861 --> 02:21:11,471
Stephen Hawking saying they may not see

2973
02:21:16,330 --> 02:21:13,871
us is any more valuable than we see

2974
02:21:19,179 --> 02:21:16,340
bacteria and michi okay

2975
02:21:22,150 --> 02:21:19,189
is if they are hostile it would be like

2976
02:21:24,940 --> 02:21:22,160
Bambi meeting Godzilla and the skeptic

2977
02:21:26,830 --> 02:21:24,950
Robert Schaeffer says to condense what

2978
02:21:29,770 --> 02:21:26,840
he says into a single sentence the

2979
02:21:31,630 --> 02:21:29,780
waging a war on another planet would be

2980
02:21:34,510 --> 02:21:31,640
a logistical nightmare because it's vast

2981
02:21:38,590 --> 02:21:34,520
distances but how do you think the world

2982
02:21:41,590 --> 02:21:38,600
would respond to actual disclosure or an

2983
02:21:42,670 --> 02:21:41,600
alien invasion where they just showed up

2984
02:21:47,969 --> 02:21:42,680
and said well we're here now

2985
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:51,760
contaminated by via a similar viewpoint

2986
02:21:57,370 --> 02:21:54,800
that occurred with them awesome Wells is

2987
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:57,380
mass panic that you had created with his

2988
02:22:03,210 --> 02:22:00,800
war of a world broadcast and I think

2989
02:22:05,800 --> 02:22:03,220
people have got so used to the idea of

2990
02:22:08,650 --> 02:22:05,810
alien invasion now I don't think that'd

2991
02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:08,660
be a mass panic and this you know one

2992
02:22:14,349 --> 02:22:11,290
turned up you know like in these old

2993
02:22:16,900 --> 02:22:14,359
1950s science fiction films where myself

2994
02:22:20,260 --> 02:22:16,910
you know stands up in people in the

2995
02:22:25,000 --> 02:22:20,270
streets but I think people have come to

2996
02:22:28,570 --> 02:22:25,010
find the idea of alien life or even UFOs

2997
02:22:31,060 --> 02:22:28,580
to be more um acceptable so I think

2998
02:22:33,010 --> 02:22:31,070
unless it you never were being really

2999
02:22:35,950 --> 02:22:33,020
hostile I don't think it would cause

3000
02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:35,960
mass panic really but it would have a

3001
02:22:42,719 --> 02:22:39,050
lot of repercussions on proxy you know

3002
02:22:46,179 --> 02:22:42,729
financial markets and technology and

3003
02:22:48,969 --> 02:22:46,189
religion really so I think on politics

3004
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:48,979
so I don't think it's something we can

3005
02:22:54,820 --> 02:22:52,250
really be you know it's just I think

3006
02:22:58,210 --> 02:22:54,830
it's just a fear of your known really

3007
02:23:02,080 --> 02:22:58,220
isn't here that we don't know what if

3008
02:23:05,290 --> 02:23:02,090
even if we got into contact with some

3009
02:23:08,410 --> 02:23:05,300
alien civilization on another star

3010
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system would we be err to communicate at

3011
02:23:13,179 --> 02:23:10,460
all you know we we can't even

3012
02:23:15,700 --> 02:23:13,189
communicate with dolphins and you know

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02:23:18,639 --> 02:23:15,710
our cat type of communication we have

3014
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with our own pets this is different from

3015
02:23:23,050 --> 02:23:20,840
like the kind of communication we're

3016
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having now so in a way I suppose that

3017
02:23:28,570 --> 02:23:25,970
our idea of Charles is false that we are

3018
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property is something like perhaps you

3019
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know aliens would treat

3020
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to save a light pets or you know would

3021
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virtutis like pets Oliver treats us like

3022
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we're renew since well you know some you

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know ufologists like brought Hopkins

3024
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somehow so you know our just using us

3025
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for you know a breeding program to

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create hybrids got more to come

3027
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alien hybrids or hubris is dr. David

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Jacobs refers to them

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Nigel Watson Jean Steinberg J Randall

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3141
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echo and the echo increases I'm

3142
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expecting with the next show or perhaps

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on that score it's really really really

3146
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fun let's continue with Randall and

3147
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Knights we'll go ahead please I tend to

3148
02:29:07,529 --> 02:29:04,630
agree with the skeptic Robert Shafer

3149
02:29:09,630 --> 02:29:07,539
actually in that it would be a logistic

3150
02:29:12,899 --> 02:29:09,640
nightmare and trying to invade another

3151
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world from another planet there's a lot

3152
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of energy involved just getting here let

3153
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alone managing a supply chain with so

3154
02:29:24,479 --> 02:29:21,159
idea of invasion there's a human concept

3155
02:29:26,639 --> 02:29:24,489
anyway I think between me the two world

3156
02:29:29,699 --> 02:29:26,649
was somebody argued you know what's the

3157
02:29:34,380 --> 02:29:29,709
point of invading you know in the past

3158
02:29:37,050 --> 02:29:34,390
you had armies and people stole gold and

3159
02:29:39,809 --> 02:29:37,060
trinkets from your enemy and then went

3160
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back home or whatever as you know his

3161
02:29:44,639 --> 02:29:41,919
argument was half in world war just

3162
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destroys the aggressor as much as his

3163
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defender you know there's no real point

3164
02:29:55,489 --> 02:29:51,489
in doing that I suppose the only point

3165
02:29:58,219 --> 02:29:55,499
is an ideology really you know you can

3166
02:30:00,330 --> 02:29:58,229
dominate the world from our selves

3167
02:30:03,960 --> 02:30:00,340
totalitarian point of view or something

3168
02:30:06,809 --> 02:30:03,970
but and that's more in terms of how

3169
02:30:10,679 --> 02:30:06,819
things are controlled rather than the

3170
02:30:13,559 --> 02:30:10,689
ears or eyes of human concepts really it

3171
02:30:16,260 --> 02:30:13,569
could be just as equally possible that

3172
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if the aliens are that much more

3173
02:30:23,790 --> 02:30:20,709
advanced than we are that for all we

3174
02:30:26,250 --> 02:30:23,800
know they had something to do with

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ceding the planet with life you know

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billions of years ago and they they knew

3177
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full well that it would all evolve into

3178
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pretty much what it is now and we're

3179
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just creatures that are mapping out all

3180
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the natural resources and building an

3181
02:30:42,630 --> 02:30:40,180
infrastructure and for all we know we'll

3182
02:30:45,420 --> 02:30:42,640
just die off like the other animals have

3183
02:30:47,250 --> 02:30:45,430
in past eras and leaves the planet

3184
02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:47,260
vacant for them to just move right in

3185
02:30:52,139 --> 02:30:49,930
and without having to fire a shot oh

3186
02:30:55,590 --> 02:30:52,149
well you made me think um

3187
02:30:59,550 --> 02:30:55,600
perhaps in a thousands of years ago we

3188
02:31:02,279 --> 02:30:59,560
did we did send spaceships out to

3189
02:31:04,949 --> 02:31:02,289
explore of a world however about the

3190
02:31:05,729 --> 02:31:04,959
aliens are us coming back and whether

3191
02:31:08,809 --> 02:31:05,739
volved

3192
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and we haven't and we went to reoccupy

3193
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offical to serve the original earthlings

3194
02:31:17,880 --> 02:31:15,749
but often come transcendence

3195
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transcending the boundaries of science

3196
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fiction yeah I think this idea of

3197
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warfare is also something but so much in

3198
02:31:32,670 --> 02:31:29,949
the 1950s Flying Saucer films you know

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War of the Worlds and you know invaders

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from outer space and that sort of idea

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of landing and taken away women

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basically and destroying of a sort of

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iconic monuments of a world my sort of

3204
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things seem to be very much the stable

3205
02:31:54,929 --> 02:31:51,520
of those sort of ideas in the 50s as

3206
02:31:57,840 --> 02:31:54,939
well it was also just after the Second

3207
02:32:01,409 --> 02:31:57,850
World War so no way UFOs were seen as

3208
02:32:03,540 --> 02:32:01,419
almost like a plane out of the the third

3209
02:32:06,449 --> 02:32:03,550
world well where we'd have atomic

3210
02:32:09,239 --> 02:32:06,459
weapons and you know flying ships and

3211
02:32:11,639 --> 02:32:09,249
things so he's sort of like not just an

3212
02:32:14,609 --> 02:32:11,649
intergalactic war or an interplanetary

3213
02:32:17,609 --> 02:32:14,619
war taken you know warfare to a new

3214
02:32:20,389 --> 02:32:17,619
level now it's interesting to me about

3215
02:32:23,159 --> 02:32:20,399
so many of those early films is that

3216
02:32:25,019 --> 02:32:23,169
aliens always had to be warlike except

3217
02:32:27,540 --> 02:32:25,029
kind of half a half with The Day the

3218
02:32:30,239 --> 02:32:27,550
Earth Stood Still where we were warned

3219
02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:30,249
that if we didn't follow the straight

3220
02:32:37,109 --> 02:32:33,130
and narrow they would take care of us in

3221
02:32:40,019 --> 02:32:37,119
one fell swoop anyway so it's nice to

3222
02:32:43,229 --> 02:32:40,029
have positive aliens like the ones say

3223
02:32:47,399 --> 02:32:43,239
in Star Trek and in the movie Forbidden

3224
02:32:51,719 --> 02:32:47,409
Planet there were aliens there but the

3225
02:32:55,019 --> 02:32:51,729
monster was really the head of the

3226
02:32:57,359 --> 02:32:55,029
individual who expanded his brain but

3227
02:32:59,519 --> 02:32:57,369
couldn't control the effects of it so

3228
02:33:01,469 --> 02:32:59,529
that was something else that was kind of

3229
02:33:03,809 --> 02:33:01,479
Star Trek episode 10 years before Star

3230
02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:03,819
Trek if you realize that yeah it's a

3231
02:33:07,801 --> 02:33:05,530
good because it does

3232
02:33:11,070 --> 02:33:07,811
Star Trek is almost like a pilot for

3233
02:33:13,051 --> 02:33:11,080
Star Trek but ten years early and and I

3234
02:33:15,270 --> 02:33:13,061
kiss a visitor solve the invisible

3235
02:33:17,700 --> 02:33:15,280
monster and it's a monster created by

3236
02:33:20,190 --> 02:33:17,710
our own minds I think this is something

3237
02:33:22,350 --> 02:33:20,200
some you four writers are written about

3238
02:33:25,950 --> 02:33:22,360
what you know you photo like mind

3239
02:33:28,950 --> 02:33:25,960
monsters creations of our mind and cowl

3240
02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:28,960
young the psychologists also wrote an

3241
02:33:35,790 --> 02:33:32,170
early book on flying saucers weary he

3242
02:33:37,740 --> 02:33:35,800
regarded and UFOs might be mental

3243
02:33:40,921 --> 02:33:37,750
projections that might actually come

3244
02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:40,931
into physical existence but you know

3245
02:33:45,900 --> 02:33:43,210
even if they don't come into physical

3246
02:33:50,131 --> 02:33:45,910
existence they're still very symbolic of

3247
02:33:54,511 --> 02:33:50,141
our own fears projected onto things in

3248
02:33:58,200 --> 02:33:54,521
the sky and you know 1950s all the

3249
02:34:00,751 --> 02:33:58,210
film's reflects of a flying saucer films

3250
02:34:04,711 --> 02:34:00,761
kind of reflect the fear of an another

3251
02:34:07,320 --> 02:34:04,721
war and also what the aliens often

3252
02:34:10,501 --> 02:34:07,330
represent you know communists basically

3253
02:34:12,301 --> 02:34:10,511
and also was fear that you know the

3254
02:34:15,060 --> 02:34:12,311
government will be taken over

3255
02:34:18,091 --> 02:34:15,070
you know invaders from Mars as people

3256
02:34:20,310 --> 02:34:18,101
with implants and Burum but become

3257
02:34:23,370 --> 02:34:20,320
robots so I think that's another great

3258
02:34:27,290 --> 02:34:23,380
fear of the films of that period that

3259
02:34:32,850 --> 02:34:27,300
would be taken over and becomes of

3260
02:34:36,091 --> 02:34:32,860
robots of beckon call of the aliens so

3261
02:34:39,660 --> 02:34:36,101
you know they it's pretty intriguing how

3262
02:34:42,450 --> 02:34:39,670
you know the subject evolving and you

3263
02:34:46,200 --> 02:34:42,460
see where for example robots always had

3264
02:34:48,120 --> 02:34:46,210
to be evil except for data yeah on Star

3265
02:34:50,730 --> 02:34:48,130
Trek next generation I was looking here

3266
02:34:53,640 --> 02:34:50,740
what we were talking at the blurb for a

3267
02:34:54,301 --> 02:34:53,650
book called shoot them down the flying

3268
02:34:59,100 --> 02:34:54,311
saucer

3269
02:35:03,390 --> 02:34:59,110
air wars of 1952 and we had Frank Ficino

3270
02:35:06,660 --> 02:35:03,400
on the show to talk about that maybe 12

3271
02:35:10,470 --> 02:35:06,670
years ago early in the para Cass history

3272
02:35:14,370 --> 02:35:10,480
and this was about 252 and about alleged

3273
02:35:16,470 --> 02:35:14,380
examples where we fired on them which is

3274
02:35:17,970 --> 02:35:16,480
such a bright idea but that goes back to

3275
02:35:19,190 --> 02:35:17,980
date the Earth Stood Still because

3276
02:35:23,480 --> 02:35:19,200
remember what happened

3277
02:35:26,090 --> 02:35:23,490
the spaceship lands and Klaatu and Gort

3278
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:26,100
come out of the spaceship and as soon as

3279
02:35:32,710 --> 02:35:29,610
Klaatu reaches to grab something the

3280
02:35:37,400 --> 02:35:32,720
nervous soldier shoots him in the

3281
02:35:39,950 --> 02:35:37,410
response court fires on their vehicle

3282
02:35:42,890 --> 02:35:39,960
and they get off it they jump off it

3283
02:35:45,020 --> 02:35:42,900
just before it's disintegrates hey Nigel

3284
02:35:46,850 --> 02:35:45,030
Watson this has been a lot of fun and we

3285
02:35:49,490 --> 02:35:46,860
could have started on that subject and

3286
02:35:51,020 --> 02:35:49,500
done a whole show about it but we can't

3287
02:35:53,210 --> 02:35:51,030
because just about a half time if those

3288
02:35:54,530 --> 02:35:53,220
people out there who are interested in

3289
02:35:57,290 --> 02:35:54,540
all the good things you said want to

3290
02:35:59,929 --> 02:35:57,300
reach you do you have a website I've got

3291
02:36:03,830 --> 02:35:59,939
a Facebook page sometimes right for the

3292
02:36:12,230 --> 02:36:03,840
Magana of websites chicken look for if

3293
02:36:16,070 --> 02:36:12,240
you google Magana and my books are on

3294
02:36:21,969 --> 02:36:16,080
Amazon as well if you're interested my

3295
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:21,979
UFO investigations menu is actually

3296
02:36:29,770 --> 02:36:25,680
quite low price in the UK I think it's

3297
02:36:33,860 --> 02:36:29,780
something like $27 in United States and

3298
02:36:38,600 --> 02:36:33,870
you know that's quite a comprehensive

3299
02:36:40,820 --> 02:36:38,610
self guide to the subject and there so

3300
02:36:43,700 --> 02:36:40,830
it just looked me up on Facebook it's

3301
02:36:46,820 --> 02:36:43,710
probably the best way you're speaking of

3302
02:36:49,429 --> 02:36:46,830
Isis for books 27 hours is you know kind

3303
02:36:52,100 --> 02:36:49,439
of mid price the third edition of

3304
02:36:55,520 --> 02:36:52,110
Jerome's Clarke's UFO encyclopedia which

3305
02:36:58,400 --> 02:36:55,530
is gonna be out this month oh yeah it's

3306
02:37:01,520 --> 02:36:58,410
gonna list for $150 and they have a

3307
02:37:04,760 --> 02:37:01,530
special price by the way 139 I don't

3308
02:37:06,469 --> 02:37:04,770
think that Sharia is really happy about

3309
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this kind of bummed out about it but

3310
02:37:10,730 --> 02:37:08,520
it's an educational book publisher so

3311
02:37:13,790 --> 02:37:10,740
they know how to rip the public off hey

3312
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3338
02:38:22,320 --> 02:38:18,500
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02:38:34,551 --> 02:38:22,330
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3340
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